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07-24-2017 , 11:08 PM

cch001

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Blinds 100/200 early in $80 turbo. Hero in BB with $9000 and villain with about the same stack in SB. 2 limpers before SB raise to 800. Hero flats with QcQs (?!) and there's one other caller. Flop:

Jd 7d 4d

Villain seems like a competent player but maybe a little tight. She says "three thousand" while putting out $300 in chips. Dealer says the bet is $3000 and tells her to put it out. At first she seems flustered and it's pretty clear she meant to bet $300, but after some discussion says "It's fine, I'm good either way" and puts out the 3k.

Hero?

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07-25-2017 , 12:05 AM

RiverDood

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Unless you're watching a marvelous performance, Villain has just told you that she wanted to coax a little action out of anyone with top pair or a draw ... but that she is quite comfortable with where her cards play against your likely range, no matter how much money is in the middle.

I would have guessed she's got a made flush with Ax or Kx, which isn't quite right, but is close enough. QQ is most likely way behind in this situation.

We'd have chosen the same line for different reasons. Good read in a fairly straightforward situation.

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07-27-2017 , 04:19 PM

jpgiro

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2.6K in the pot with 8.2K behind is very close to an automatic stackoff with an overpair. The unintentional angle by the villain may lead me to fold, but it probably isn't a good theoretical fold. If we have the Qd I think we have to call.

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07-28-2017 , 04:35 PM

cch001

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Assuming there wasn't the unintentional angle, and hero raises the flop bet of villain, does hero fold to a reraise or jam, even with the Q

? As it turns out we would have been dead to rights since villain had the A

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07-28-2017 , 08:01 PM

RiverDood

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Originally Posted by cch001

Assuming there wasn't the unintentional angle, and hero raises the flop bet of villain, does hero fold to a reraise or jam, even with the Q

? As it turns out we would have been dead to rights since villain had the A

Don't like a flop raise here. We push out a lot of hands that we're beating ... and accomplish nothing if we're behind except losing more chips faster. It might be an okay line against AJ with no diamond, but that's a small part of Villain's range. Against most of the rest of the range, raising it up just doesn't work out for us.

Thinking through the whole hand, against a tight player, I'm fine with check/call for flop and turn. If Villaiin fires a third barrel on the river, we need to make a live read, and it's 50/50 whether we stick around if we can't figure out anything.

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07-29-2017 , 11:48 PM

hitchens97

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i'm 3b/folding pre, and looking to take it down or play heads up against villain in position. Not looking to play 3 or 4 ways.

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07-30-2017 , 11:22 AM

Koko the munkey

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I'm having a hard time deciding which decision is worse. Flatting pre out of the blinds with QQ, or folding an overpair to a single bet on the flop.

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07-30-2017 , 09:35 PM

cch001

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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey

I'm having a hard time deciding which decision is worse. Flatting pre out of the blinds with QQ, or folding an overpair to a single bet on the flop.

Yeah, I know that flatting there was probably not optimal, especially with 2 other limpers with position on me after the flop. But I don't think it's terrible. My fold was based almost entirely on what happened with the bet sizing error and her reaction. Obviously not folding QQ there ever in a normal situation.

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07-31-2017 , 01:28 AM

Koko the munkey

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No it was terrible. You just don't understand enough about poker to realize it.

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07-31-2017 , 03:37 AM

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FU_UIGEA

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Early turbo and given said situation and stack sizes this should be an auto shove if she was indeed a rec player and not trying to angle.

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07-31-2017 , 03:46 AM

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FU_UIGEA

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Only way I could get behind a flat pre if your HU...but thats very player dependent. Some times u run QQ into overpairs but folding is out of the question. Good luck keep playing!!!

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07-31-2017 , 07:37 AM

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cch001

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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey

No it was terrible. You just don't understand enough about poker to realize it.

Thanks, that's helpful!

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07-31-2017 , 07:42 AM

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cch001

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Originally Posted by FU_UIGEA

Early turbo and given said situation and stack sizes this should be an auto shove if she was indeed a rec player and not trying to angle.

We'd be shoving 40 BB here?!

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07-31-2017 , 10:24 AM

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Koko the munkey

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Originally Posted by cch001

We'd be shoving 40 BB here?!

No one said anything like that.

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07-31-2017 , 10:40 AM

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gregz41

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There's no way she meant to bet 300, I'd be extremely confident in that. I think the big question here is how do we continue vs raise from the SB. She's doesn't have the incentive to raise a lot of hands here. That said, QQ is a pretty good hand. I'd be willing to just go ahead with it. I might just rip some hands over her raise here say like TT-QQ & AK and then 3bet small with KK+ and maybe the odd bluff.

As played, it looks like you're folding everything that isn't a set?

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