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10-09-2013 , 11:37 AM
2-4k, 500a

playing 5 handed since it is 8 handed to start, 2 hadn't shown up yet and and small stack was knocked out hand 1.

I started the day with 95k and chipped up to 160 in first 6 hands winning three consecutive hands after my opens. Flopped 2p with A7hh, won raise uncontested, then got in 3 bet rip on q high board with the KQ.

Hand 7 raise utg with AQ to 10, button (220k) 3b to 35k

Reads: first hand of day utg rips 10bb with 88, villain cib to 80 and his QQ holds against 88. Before flop he says "don't do it to me dealer" and seems more nervous about hand given situation then he obv should be

You?
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10-09-2013 , 11:57 AM
This is a pretty easy 4-bet shove IMO, 5-handed and 40BBs.
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10-09-2013 , 11:59 AM
hah i forgot it was 5 handed. 67k/c
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10-09-2013 , 12:09 PM
just shove
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10-09-2013 , 03:40 PM
70k/c
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10-09-2013 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
hah i forgot it was 5 handed. 67k/c
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Originally Posted by shichibukai
just shove
shove is ok too. dont think it changes much. depends on villain and which is better for what you think the bottom of his 3b range is.
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10-09-2013 , 05:20 PM
Villain had 180k in the first hand and iso-ed with a min raise because he didn't want to overcommit without the nuts. That and the 3.5x 3-bet probably means he's scared to lose. My problem is that "scared to lose players" don't 3-bet very wide, and could 3-bet that large with everything up to AA in an attempt to avoid playing post flop.

For the 3-bet range, AJ is rarely in there (and folds to a shove anyway). 99 is a maybe, and TT is probably in (and your biggest money maker, as I'm guessing he folds to your shove with that). Obviously everything above is in, and I don't think he finds a fold very often (maybe with JJ if he's extremely scared).

A pretty meh spot to get it in. I just don't find that live fish have much of a 3.5x 3-bet/fold range and our hand is >30% against the calling range.

I'd probably just fold and look for something better. That being said, if you want to get a little fancy, you could call and donk into him for 38k on a lot of flops. But it starts getting murky if he flats you there.
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10-10-2013 , 04:32 PM
Brains- I think its a stretch to determine from one hand (when he cib iso) that he is scared. Also, don't think you are taking into account that we are playing five handed and this is my 4th open in a row with already getting in a 3bet rip on flop where villain insta folded (so table already has taken notice of agg image and is fighting back.

I ripped it in and he did not instacall with KK.

Not being results oriented here, just wanted to see if anyone really thought I could/should fold.

Thx again for replies.
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10-11-2013 , 12:14 AM
No one is concerned that villain 3b 3.5x open?
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10-11-2013 , 10:56 AM
^^yeah
I mean its not std at all and when we 4bet we obv never light.
shoving > 4b/c but not thrilled if its 1st time he 3bets like that.
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10-11-2013 , 01:12 PM
Lol people like him just pick whatever size they feel. You can't read into it.
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10-11-2013 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Lol people like him just pick whatever size they feel. You can't read into it.
Yes, this raise-size in a vacuum live doesn't mean anything, and who cares, this is 5-handed anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if the "don't do it to me dealer" dude knew he was raising exactly 3.5x etc, he's just putting chips in the middle. I think online players underestimate at times how different live play is (and I play both), particularly when it comes to things like raise sizing, because size of pot isn't counted, etc.
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10-11-2013 , 03:40 PM
It is a tough spot, but him being kind of scared in prior hand would lead me to believe that he would be flatting most of his other pairs here besides QQ+ so he would not have to get all in pre against a super aggro player more likely to 4bet than others at the table.

You sat down and played 4-5 hands winning them all, there is a pattern that would lead some players into getting defensive and playing back against you. For a player that you describe and stack sizes it would leave me to believe he would rather play small ball and see flops against you but is obligated (in his mind) to 3bet QQ,KK,AA so he makes it 3.5x.

The OR was 10k, and if you dont think he is capable of doing the math on his 3bet here than you should definitely fold and not risk your tournament life here as you will be finding plenty of better spots with 90 minute levels against someone who cannot do 1st grade level math.

I think from a 30,000 foot view, you have 40bb AQ and an aggro image getting it in is fine - especially online where players are capable to call with AJ. Unless the shove is a bluff in this spot to try and get villian to fold AK, JJ, TT I am going to fold here and give the first 3bet made a little credit. and be excited to play 5 handed with 40bb day2 of a 300$ tourney.

PS: try and wait a few days before posting results
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10-13-2013 , 01:36 AM
blinds are absolutely 2500/5k if it matters.

just fold, lollivepoker
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10-14-2013 , 09:56 PM
Folding without more info.
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