Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 750/1,500 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 17.61 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 13.66, 3Bet Preflop: 8.81, Hands: 763)
BTN: 32.91 BB (VPIP: 16.61, PFR: 13.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.90, Hands: 272)
SB: 151.45 BB (VPIP: 15.84, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 101)
BB: 7.01 BB (VPIP: 11.67, PFR: 2.17, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 61)
UTG: 66.65 BB (VPIP: 17.16, PFR: 12.98, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 134)
UTG+1: 44.26 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 27.27, Hands: 23)
MP: 31.75 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (MP+1): 26.69 BB

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.8 BB, 3 players) Q 3 2
SB bets 2.27 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11.33 BB, SB calls 9.07 BB

Turn: (29.47 BB, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero ???

So many people lead the flop there with a FD

All in

Whats your question/thoughts?

If I Jam I'm getting crushed by all Qx and am crushing flushdraws, but I'm really never folding blank rivers to a jam which any Qx will do for 1/2 pot on river.

Is there enough flushdraws vs Qx in his range that I'm actually getting value from a jam or am I valueowning myself hard by jamming myself?

He could have 45 I guess or A5/A4 56, 46 type hands non-spade but I'm going to discount those heavily.

You made the flop raise to be really big and you've kind of pot committed yourself now with the effective stack being about half the pot. I'd have probably made the raise to something like 6BB and leave something closer to a pot size bet for the river.

Fishy villains also often lead with top pair weak kicker or middle pairs that they're wanting to protect. However when you make the turn raise so big, that probably narrows his range to Qx or flush draws.

Now I'd just check this turn hoping to get to a cheap showdown and sigh call on a blank river.

i would probably not fold on most of the turns

Why would we fold turn when it's checked to us. I have 1/2 Stack to pot on one of the worst turns.

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The fact that villain just calls such a big flop raise makes me wary. Wouldn't a strong draw either fold (not the right odds) or get it in (to make sure that he realises his equity) on the flop? There is a case for getting the rest of your stack whenever his draw completes on the turn, as you're pretty committed, and giving up otherwise. But it seems non-standard (and subpar?)
Whenever villain is nutted on the flop already (22, 33), he probably gets it in after such a big raise as well.

With all that said, I am still having trouble ranging villain after the flop action. But I have to say that I'm skewing my read more towards a queen than I would after a more regularly sized flop raise.
Despite that, we still need to get our stack in, our "read" isn't strong enough.
But do we want to give a free card and hope villain bluffs his missed draws on the river? Or do we want to charge the draw now? We are losing and not folding to a queen anyways. Given this, I want to charge the draw now!

Shove turn imo

I shoved turn because of the same reasons you listed, and he snapped with Q9o which is an absurd way to play that hand.

Check back turn.Lots of fish not only lead with FD OTF but also TP Weak kicker.
River is tricky..

You've got less than half pot m8...

I hate poker

most post-f comments here make sense, but i'm surprised nobody has commented at all on the Pre-flop MIN raise....

i have never liked min-raising in any circumstances. especially with KK...

carry on
~slip

Min is totally fine