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Overly aggressive? Playing out of position 3 bet pot Overly aggressive? Playing out of position 3 bet pot

02-07-2016 , 01:41 AM
Live $130 buy in
Blinds 100- 200
I have 9200 out of 15K start, opponents cover. I have raised and had to let hand go post flop after cbetting twice up to now. I have raised and cbet and took it one other time. I feel table sees me as tight, possible tp. I haven't played many hands.

Im utg with 9Thh. Table is somewhat loose pre but has tightened up as blinds have gotten bigger.

I raise to 600, btn tag who has shown aggressive tendencies post flop in the few hands he has played calls. He seems good. Sb seems possibly mildly drunk and very loose with lag tendencies 3 bets to 1200. I call, btn calls.
Pot 3700
I have 8000
Flop aj3r sb chk, I chk, btn chk
Turn 6 rainbow sb chk i bet 2k btn calls sb folds
Pot 7700 i have 6k
River 4
Now what?

Besides river decision to jam or chk/ fold i feel i should possibly have bet flop jam turn or 4 bet pre to iso lag, though he will call a lot but i feel i can cbet him off, or flat 3 bet pre take a flop and say to hell with it and never put another chip in with the good tag behind on the btn.
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02-07-2016 , 02:29 AM
you're getting aggressive in the wrong ways and at the wrong times with the wrong hands.

fold pre.
call the 3!
give up post with less than 2pr or strong multi.

tighten your EP range. widen your LP ranges and therefore play IP more often. value bet larger, and in thinner spots and on more streets against your typical LLSMTT station. stop bluffing fish.

Last edited by oldsilver; 02-07-2016 at 02:42 AM.
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02-08-2016 , 11:34 PM
I can certainly see folding pre and not open raising.

I opened because i had a somewhat tight image so i may get some folds if not pre then with a cbet and my hand would be well disguised. The tourney had only 20 min levels so i needed to stay ahead of the blinds. After the 3bet i felt i had pretty good odds to call and see a flop.

I agree though, i should have been done with the hand postflop because of the btn player. The more i think about it though, given the semi drunken lags small 3bet, i think a 4 bet may have been approprriate instead of the small ball call of the 3bet.
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02-09-2016 , 12:16 AM
nooo..don't 4! the drunk

the drunk just wants to gamble. beat him by having better hands than him. not by starting with worse and hoping to hit, or hoping to make him fold.

the TAG wants to call you in position and then take advantage of your 100% cbet, floating any pairs, draws and other potential, knowing that you'll give up unimproved ott once you check and he fires a 3/4 pot back at you. beat him by (in order of how easy they are)
  1. playing him in position (by raising more hands in late position),
  2. starting with better hands that you can actually cbet for value more often,
  3. starting with the same range, but being prepared to barrel sd and fd equity ott to make it more expensive for to float, or triple barreling a credible range, or developing a balanced c/c strat with part of your range e.g. AK, mid pairs on Q-rag-rag rainbow etc.

just remember that Phil Ivey said even his grandmother could beat him playing in position (or words to that effect). you're not Phil Ivey, and BTN isn't your grandmother. but you keep trying to play OOP.
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02-09-2016 , 07:16 AM
It's a $130 tournament. All you need to do is make hands. No need for all this nonsense, just value bet the **** out of everyone when you have a pair = profit
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02-09-2016 , 10:17 AM
Turn bet seems bad. I would not bluff this hand until river.
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02-10-2016 , 11:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by '97
It's a $130 tournament. All you need to do is make hands. No need for all this nonsense, just value bet the **** out of everyone when you have a pair = profit
This is generally true however it is only 20 min levels so it is hard to wait to make hands. I just took in the situation and took a shot at a pot no one seemed to want.
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02-10-2016 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
Turn bet seems bad. I would not bluff this hand until river.
So you are saying chk/fold turn and if turn chks through bet river? If so, i agree. However, with the pf 3 bettor chking twice and btn not taking shot on flop after two chks i felt all their ranges were on the weak side and i figured i could rep a medium ace or even 2 pr.

As played, do you chk/fold the river or jam vs what seems to be a medium ace in the btn? Do you ever 4 bet pre?
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