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12-02-2015 , 12:47 AM
BB in hand 1 and SB in hand 2 is fairly unknown to me. BB in hand 2 is a good reg, and is def capable.

Curious on sizing preferences on both hands.
fwiw, I ran Hand 2 in hrc, and if we open to ~6k w 25%, and get jammed on by either blind, down to about 18%, our calling range is JJ+, AKs, AKo.
In strict push/fold we can openship 19% (including ATs), and SB is 6.8%, and BB is 3.8% to call. How do you guys play this ?


Merge - $100.00+$10.00|<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 61,104
BB: 247,183 (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 29.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: 71,373 (VPIP: 25.99, PFR: 20.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.97, Hands: 2,471)
MP: 103,600 (VPIP: 25.62, PFR: 8.50, 3Bet Preflop: 5.38, Hands: 206)
CO: 33,166 (VPIP: 15.72, PFR: 13.37, 3Bet Preflop: 6.04, Hands: 1,817)
BTN: 68,574 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.88, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 145)

6 players post ante of 300, Hero posts SB 1,500, BB posts BB 3,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 6,300) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to ?




Merge - $100.00+$10.00|<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 65,604
SB: 243,883 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 29.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
BB: 71,073 (VPIP: 25.98, PFR: 20.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.97, Hands: 2,472)
UTG: 103,300 (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 8.46, 3Bet Preflop: 5.38, Hands: 207)
MP: 32,866 (VPIP: 15.71, PFR: 13.37, 3Bet Preflop: 6.04, Hands: 1,818)
CO: 68,274 (VPIP: 18.62, PFR: 12.78, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 146)

6 players post ante of 300, SB posts SB 1,500, BB posts BB 3,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 6,300) Hero has A T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to ?
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12-02-2015 , 01:39 AM
I'm limp calling/shoving hand 1 vs a good villain, too much good can happen. If ICM says otherwise, I would ignore it but that's my play style here. I'll gladly take on extra variance.

hand 2 I think you can do no wrong. I like implementing a limp range on bu when ICM spots start approaching so I think this hand benefits greatly in that regard. That said, I'd want to know more about bb and sb, chances are bet/folding to shove are good vs a mediocre or bad player in bb. I'm folding to any shove fwiw, and I'm fairly certain that's correct. open jamming as hero here certainly has merit and is probably better than bet/folding if facing very competent blinds.
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12-02-2015 , 02:12 AM
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12-02-2015 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by squintster
I'm limp calling/shoving hand 1 vs a good villain, too much good can happen. If ICM says otherwise, I would ignore it but that's my play style here. I'll gladly take on extra variance.

hand 2 I think you can do no wrong. I like implementing a limp range on bu when ICM spots start approaching so I think this hand benefits greatly in that regard. That said, I'd want to know more about bb and sb, chances are bet/folding to shove are good vs a mediocre or bad player in bb. I'm folding to any shove fwiw, and I'm fairly certain that's correct. open jamming as hero here certainly has merit and is probably better than bet/folding if facing very competent blinds.
Would never thought about limping hand 1. But i really like it when i think about it. Especially if there are smaller stacks at FT.
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12-02-2015 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by squintster
I'm limp calling/shoving hand 1 vs a good villain, too much good can happen. If ICM says otherwise, I would ignore it but that's my play style here. I'll gladly take on extra variance.

hand 2 I think you can do no wrong. I like implementing a limp range on bu when ICM spots start approaching so I think this hand benefits greatly in that regard. That said, I'd want to know more about bb and sb, chances are bet/folding to shove are good vs a mediocre or bad player in bb. I'm folding to any shove fwiw, and I'm fairly certain that's correct. open jamming as hero here certainly has merit and is probably better than bet/folding if facing very competent blinds.
Nice post apprec the thot process. In hand 2, SB is completely unknown before last few orbits, and a few hands before FT. Through 25 hands, hasnt 3bet, but thats not saying much. BB is vgood and capable
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12-02-2015 , 03:04 PM
I would limp/gii hand 1. I would limp most of my range with a competent big stack in the BB. You don't want to build the pot OOP and out chipped. AQs could be tricky postflop if he flats your raise and you miss.
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12-02-2015 , 03:23 PM
I think according to BCM we sjould be able to r/c wider yhan ICM, no?
And Ive heard ICM is for nits anyway.
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12-02-2015 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by user12345
I think according to BCM we sjould be able to r/c wider yhan ICM, no?
And Ive heard ICM is for nits anyway.
Whether you limp or raise, you should be happy to gii with AQs BvB against the big stack. Yes, this is an example of where I would not go strictly by ICM figures. OK, with limp/3-bet too with some FE.
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12-02-2015 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AmpeFund
Nice post apprec the thot process. In hand 2, SB is completely unknown before last few orbits, and a few hands before FT. Through 25 hands, hasnt 3bet, but thats not saying much. BB is vgood and capable
In this case, I think you'd be better off opening hand 2 and likely stacking off vs bb reshove, folding to sb unknowns reshove (i expect him to be more honest). I can run numbers later but against a good villain in bb, i dont like limping this hand on bu. He will play better into a raise calling strat I think. I'm also considering his wide flat range that is really good for us, and not letting him realize eq with the absolute bottom of his range that he just folds pre. I can work on math later but intuitively it sounds better than limping. Would limp other hands tho.
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