7557 pf.

getting it in now

If we just look at this spot as you versus the button, if he's only calling 99+ and AK then he needs to fold ~45% of the time for you to break even by shoving. Knowing that he has been an active opener, it's fair to say he's opening quite liberally from the button, meaning you can profitably shove this hand and worse against him. Obviously we have to factor in the BB calling a nonzero percentage of the time, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a situation where jamming isn't profitable in this spot.

As played I think it depends on how he's been sizing his raises and reraises and if he's aware of the table dynamic. If he's always choosing this larger sizing and he seems to realize that the button has been opening wide (also helps to know if button has been raise/folding with his current stack) then I'd probably stick it in his face.

Just because shoving is +EV doesn't mean it's our most profitable option. I'd much rather raise/call than shove 33bbs effective.

Regarding the rest of the hand, I'm not thrilled about the fact he decided to commit himself nominally instead of just shoving as I think it looks stronger, but I don't really want to fold TT.

We aren't shoving 33bb effective.

25 tho

BB is still in the hand. If he had 25 or less I'd be in the shove camp.

What is your resteal range in the SB with ~25bb effective against a loose button and a BB that covers? What range do you think BB calls our shove with?

Good question CBarnesandNoble

1. I'm open to feedback, but post ante something like: 44+, JTs+, QTs+, KTs+, A8s+, ATo+, KJo+, QJo.

Hands like JTo, QTo, KTo and 22, 33 seem like 'tweeners. At some point between 25BBs and 20BBs I'm more comfortable shoving them as well.

2. If we shove 40k? I dunno, 99+ and AQ+ maybe?

I think the big reason why I'm advocating going nominal is because whatever choice I'm making - I'm making it with the entirety of my range.

I don't want to be reshoving 33bbs with AA here because I don't want him to hesitate with hands that are on the fence vs a 33bb reshove but he'd happily 4-bet shove for value over a 3bet. If it widens his range from 6% to 8% when we get it in pre with him it's pretty significant for us.

I also think there's possibly hands in my range I can profitably 3bet/call vs BTN but can't profitably 3bet/call vs BB when he does wake up with a hand he can 4bet shove for value. It might still be possible to 3bet/shove those hands profitably even with BB behind but I think we can perhaps pick up a bit of extra EV here and there if we go nominal with them.

Yes, my plan was to shove over a BTN 4 bet, his stack size, position and previous play demand that. But... my problem was that I had "shove on the brain" because of the BTN. ...and didn't really think it through when the BB 4 bet. I think I agree with SSNYC's post & instinct that this is probably a fold. (not just because of the result)

Yup

I agree 100%....but he didn't have 25BB's or less. he had about 60 and it was my 33 BB's that made the effective stack. (so his survival wasn't at stake)
after BB raises & BTN folds.. my plan and therefore my decision process was derailed...
This is very close, but I think I let the fact that I had been card dead and the fact that I thought the BTN was making a move get in the way of thinking through the dynamics of what the BB was doing.

Not to be results oriented, but for those that want to know....

7200 for your 3b; villain's(bb) 4b sizing is weird and bad-his hand is face up as AK and i'm probaby gambling so shove with no FE and win the race. Tell him you slay old dolts for hobby after u win the flip. Another line if i ever think bb is aggro and may get out of line is flat btn open and reshove on the bb's squeeze here if i think he light and btn folds.

Actually, I do... I came in 3rd in the last WPT seniors MTT here in Miami.
Even tho I look young, act young and don't play like an old dolt, I'm 51 years old.
(smile).

As for the rest of your thoughts, thanks... Good advice......& I wish it had been a flip.

Wow, thats pretty sweet-congrats on the deep run! No offense/disrespect intended when throwing the "old dolt" term out there(i am sure a lot of players think i'm poker old too @ 32yo). Sucks he had JJ, i think its exactly AK or jj most of time and def a tough spot(for me anyway)betweem jamming with no FE or folding and saving yourself a healthy reshove stack. I always get a slight cringe though when its the prototypical 50+ yo that plays ABC that raises exactly like in this spot you had above vs. Someone younger than 30yo where i dont even think twice about shoving vs. The < 30yo.

No offense taken....
Yeah, that's why I posted this hand. Most of the time, I have a pretty good idea about whether I played a hand well or not, (still tweaking my bet sizing for many hands, but that's another story). This is the hand in that tourney where I really wasn't sure if I played it right or not... ( now leaning towards NOT)

.I really didn't have a real read on him yet, but my gut told me I was in trouble there.... the fact that we were about to stop for a dinner break may have played into my decision too... Who wants to wait out a dinner break with a short stack? ( prob. Bad poker thinking there...LOL)

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