So I am on the button at a fairly active table. I have been somewhat card dead recently so I have a pretty tight image.

SB is a total and complete donk calling station who flats seemingly everything and c/c post flop on most streets. He doesn't get it and he is quite terrible.

BB is really tough and has a fairly large stack, maybe 2x mine. Not a mega stack but above average.

I have 66 and 25-27bb. There are antes.

It folds around to me.

I am fairly confident that if I raise sb will flat with any 2 cards and bb will consequently either call very wide or even try to make a move with a lot of hands.

While SB is really bad I have him covered or close to covered and I don't see him being stupid enough to call of his entire stack with something marginal.

BB, on the other hand seems like he is aware of his edge on the field and he won't be looking to call off without something premium.

I basically feel that I probably have the best hand here but 66 won't play very well in a multi-way pot even with position and I don't want to get squeezed by BB.

Is shoving ok? Or are we still just opening normally?

2X...play poker

Respect that analysis. Any way we can make it a tad bit bigger, almost like assuming that sb has already limped?

Is this live? Depends on which buyin also

Live $225 down to 2 tables paying 5.

I know if anyone is going to co-sign a shove it is you kind sir.

I like that a lot.

I don't know how to say this without being a dick but the way you described the situation makes it sounds like you're afraid to play postlfop.

your stack is too big too shove 66. if you get a call best case scenario is you get 22-55 to call, which isn't likely from the competent player.

It isn't even that likely from the bad player in the SB, even those types of players hate small PP's and find it difficult to pull the trigger and call off all their chips w/ them.

Most likely scenario is that you're flipping and slightly ahead if they call. Sure they fold but like I said before your stack is just too big, even W/ Antes.

You're better off raising small, as said above, and playing poker.

Are you sure that I am flipping 3 way? I am just thinking about how poorly this pair is going to play 3 way, especially in a spot that looks particularly stealy and with sb calling it just gives the crafty bb such a huge incentive to get tricky. I think that this is a really specific spot and I am just curious about it.

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I can't run pokerstove at work but if someone can do the math about 66 against ranges 80% AND say 40% I'd be curious.

this is a good spot to get a shove in so each consecutive shoves starts to look like bull**** and then we can shove AQ with 18 bb like the other thread and get called by A5

This logic works, assuming you decide to do so and commit to the strategy when you get a big hand (i.e. don't raise normal amount), and assuming table awareness is such that others notice and will adjust.

Otherwise, think standard 2.X raise pre is fine. You still have enough chips to play with.

Shove can't be bad, but this is one of the rare times I would consider a limp. If you've been quiet it could discourage bb from getting too tricky.

Yes. I agree. I feel like I have been playing quite profitably for a while in live tournaments using this strategy. I am trying to play more standard earlier in tournaments and then move towards this as we get closer to the money. This is just one of the spots that seems a little early but also feels like it could quickly turn into a nightmare playing small ball.

Interesting. What is our plan if we limp? Are we just set mining here? What if BB opens -- think he is capable of doing that fairly light?

And also people who said I am afraid to play poker or whatever -- I think in this situation that is certainly at least somewhat true. I am up against a very competent opponent who is quite capable of outplaying me. Is that such a horrible thing to admit?

I would overshove, because 66 is a good hand for it. Probably not oversohoving much. You shouldn't mind oplaykong postflop in position too much.

Yeah but you shouldn't be willing to shove in your whole stack W/ 66 just because it will play poorly post flop multi-way. You have the option of folding post flop and also the raise is a small percentage of your stack.

As said above limping is OK as well and it's ok to fold when facing heat.

Also, if you get it HU you can play poker and have the option to bluff. They're both OOP you don't need to flop a set of 6's to make it profitable post flop. There are plenty of scenarios you can outplay them post flop.

As far as saying you're afraid to play post flop. I didn't mean it as an insult but your logic is a little off because you want to shove in 25-27 BB's because you aren't comfortable playing 66 post flop against a competent opponent. Which leads me to believe that's where you should focus a lot of your efforts in getting better

You can still limp, raise small or fold. You don't have to stick your whole stack in.