Quick question regarding preflop raise sizing. (EDIT: Is this right for quick checkup, or should this get its own thread?)

$100 live tournament. 113 entrants, down to final 20. I have about 86,000, blinds are 1500/3000 with 400 ante. Average stack is 100k. Another table has just broken and 3 unknowns have sat down and this is the first hand they are dealt into. Table is back to being 10-handed.

Until now every preflop minraise has been called multi ways (five to the flop...), 3x'ing the BB offers such good value (8500 in pot before any action) and quite a few of the players have been loose with wanting to see flops. Plenty discussion around the table about how big the pot is and the antes work out to being more than the BB.

UTG limps (he has been at the table for hours - not one of the newcomers), UTG+1 folds, I have AA in UTG+2. I mean to raise it to 13,000 because of the 8500+3000 from the limper making the pot at 11,500 already and there are still so many players to act - accidentally go 15,000. Everyone quickly folds around to the limper who thinks for about 5 seconds and shoves - perfect action as a result of an error on my part.

15k was definitely too much but I think it induced the action. My intention was to clear out any speculative callers who'd enter the pot with the right odds for a smaller raise, and of course to isolate the limper. UTG limps 10-handed are suspicious and I was happy with either a call or a shove here.

With no limpers and the way the table had been calling preflop in the last couple levels means I'm raising to 9.5k or 10k anyway given the 8,500 already out there.
How much do you raise in this spot? Is 13k too much?

I would raise 3.0-3.5x over 1 limper with your stacksize. Depends on the hand, position. Etc.
Here just make it 10k

it depends from the intention of limper as well

does he ever limp fold from utg?

if not then you could go bigger than 3x

Most people were limp calling min raises or 3xs. Had not seen many people folding by the time a raise got round to them after they'd contributed the minimum...

As for specifically what this guy is doing UTG, I couldn't tell you.

Villain is 20/14 for 150 hands.

Turn's interesting about whether to barrel or not, but primarily i'm curious to know if others think a river bluff jam would work often enough in this spot since we have the best blocker in our hand? Do you think we could get villain off a 5 by jamming? I think our line up to the river is somewhat credible for repping a flopped nfd.

he probably c/r NFDs otf but anyway I think its fine as played.
You shouldn`t 3 barrel every NFD_blocker when you have limited amount of FDs in the range and can`t barrel all of them.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
7 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$30+$3

Stacks:
UTG Hero (138k) 49bb
UTG+1 (58k) 21bb
MP (361k) 129bb
CO (210k) 75bb
BTN (16k) 6bb
SB (45k) 16bb
BB (95k) 34bb

Blinds: 1.4k/2.8k Ante 350

Pre-Flop: (6.7k, 7 players) Hero is UTG A K
Hero raises to 6.2k, 5 folds, BB raises to 18k, Hero calls 12k
Flop: 5 Q J (39k, 2 players)

BB bets 12k, Hero calls 12k

Turn: K (63k, 2)
BB goes all-in 64k, 64457 to Hero 107910

~20 left in the big 33, villain has been active but I haven't seen too much of him - it's his 4th 3-b in the last 50 hands, we haven't tangled too much. His turnship was almost instant fwiw.

Shove pre probably
and fold everywhere postflop

Shoving pre is pretty meh against a (probably) very polarized 3-b-range, and folding flop is really not an option imho ,esp against that sizing.

I don`t love shoving either, but I tihnk we`re facing merged range and the question is how tight it is.

^ Ya think I prefer 4b/c or shoving pre as well if you think his 3b range is wide enough.

What you guys think of this line? Villain is playing 21/11 over 100 hands. I'm basically targeting 55-TT otr, which'll never bet if i check, but could make a crying call. I'm also not giving him a whole lot of credit for being able to make a bluff-raise otr. Thoughts?



cheers

I think you messed the hand.
Sort out range he flats pre first of all.
Fwiw I don`t think its so weak that I would have expected to "bet turn with high freq and small sizing" strat be best.
He probably doesn`t even flat 66-.

So what do we do on turn?

ICM blunder or Unlucky??? or just bad play by not 3 betting pre or jamming flop...or calling his river shove?

10 dollar bovada mtt 156 reg 6 remain blinds 600/1200 120ante



VILLAIN Jh Th 74k dealer

HERO Ad Qd 40k BB

folded stacks are 27k 11k 9.5k and 5.75k

Villain opened to 3k pre I decided to flat 1800...since I was OOP and knew he was opening often and light and if Im playing to win I felt AQs was too good too muck against his range and didn't want to get into a preflop war with chip leader.

FLOP Qh Jc 7h

I decided to check and let him cbet which he did for 3500

HERO check raise to 8500
VILLAIN calls 5k

TURN Jd

HERO bets 7500
VILLAIN calls 7500

RIVER 2c

HERO bets 7500
VILLAIN moves all in for 45k
HERO calls off his last 14k

Im still kinda new to tourney poker and ICM so I would really love some feedback and thoughts on this hand.

PokerStars - Hold'em Tournament - $50/100 Blinds - 9 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

BTN: $12,081
SB: $2,327
BB: $4,042
UTG: $4,685
UTG+1: $4,905
MP1: $3,995
MP2: $2,810
MP3: $4,010
CO: $7,190

Pre-flop: Dealt to UTG Q Q
UTG raises to $220, (1 folds), MP1 raises to $340, (6 folds), UTG raises to $777, MP1 calls $437

Flop: ($2,014) 5 9 6 (2 Players)
UTG bets $822, MP1 calls $822

Turn: ($3,658) A (2 Players)

Villain is a complete random, spewy on the first few hands but nothing noteable. I have no clue about his range, any thoughts?

I think if he is competant player, He would know that w NFD You more often will double barrel turn.

But as played, it would be more of a spew then a good bluff, to put AI on river against unknown opponent. I believe You gotta have at least some kind of read, or just stats, is he fishy or regish.

is V bladed here, or is min 3! more often a KQs type hand..? (non std play and OPR confirmed afterwards V was new inexperienced player)

think calling and 4b/f are both better than folding. Click 3b at this stack depth are generally not with top of range ime.

Cold-call

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 50/100 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 4,799 (VPIP: 19.34, PFR: 14.05, 3Bet Preflop: 8.85, Hands: 246)
MP+1: 9,921 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: 4,722 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 3.28, Hands: 156)
BTN: 7,990 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
SB: 3,080 (VPIP: 42.11, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (BB): 5,717
UTG: 4,193 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 13.25, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 84)
UTG+1: 5,120 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 50, Hero posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 150) Hero has 2 3

fold, UTG+1 raises to 220, MP calls 220, MP+1 calls 220, fold, BTN calls 220, SB calls 170, Hero calls 120

Flop: (1,320, 6 players) 6 3 2
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, MP+1 checks, BTN bets 910, fold, Hero raises to 5,497 and is all-in

kind of sucks to jam into five players when unless they're droolers it's not so easy to get called by worse...but idk how else to play it...would you consider leading flop?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 20/40 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 4,955 (VPIP: 19.91, PFR: 14.76, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 214)
MP+1: 5,106 (VPIP: 19.74, PFR: 11.92, 3Bet Preflop: 5.84, Hands: 306)
CO: 4,460 (VPIP: 25.27, PFR: 13.19, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 92)
BTN: 4,995 (VPIP: 14.88, PFR: 11.86, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 124)
SB: 7,944 (VPIP: 25.97, PFR: 22.97, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 78)
Hero (BB): 4,722
UTG: 4,985 (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
UTG+1: 2,360 (VPIP: 16.60, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 260)

SB posts SB 20, Hero posts BB 40

Pre Flop: (pot: 60) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 120, fold, MP raises to 360, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 320, fold

Flop: (860, 2 players) 9 8 4
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (860, 2 players) T
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (860, 2 players) K
Hero checks, MP bets 440, fold

idk wtf to do pre

riv I just figure his range is a lot of AK and while he may some preflop bluffs A2s-A5s or whatnot ppl generally just aren't taking care to balance their 3b ranges in early stages of MTTs so I heavily discount those. we also heavily block AQs which might be part of the check thru to riv and bluff range.

^^ I think pre is good. If we 4b, obv using a smaller sizing, maybe ~825ish. I am 4b AA here, and would rather add, AKs-AQs, than QQ+ for obv reasons.

Flop is good, but I would lead turn ~435. As played calling riv. I think he rarely has flushes here, and usually some 1pr types, that are ahead quite a bit, some ATs, maybe JJ combos are left. Its thin ya. I think c/r riv is kinda sick too

Yeah I agree on leading turn, I get confused what ranges look like due to the weirdness of preflop action and then get super pot-controlly.

Yeah ATs and JJ do make sense for riv v-bets for him.

I don't think we can x/r riv as our flopped turned sets would just lead turn.

Hey did you see the hand I posted before this one?

^ I think prf is losing ev over tlr, but we all prob jus click call ingame. Would c/r flop as well, I just think theoretically we want smaller sizing on the raise, maybe like ~2400, and go from there

are we x/r/f tho? it's pretty gross but doesn't seem super unreasonable