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07-25-2014 , 07:42 AM
What do you think of the line, esp the call on the river? Felt any limped aces wouldn't bomb river, all draws missed and the 2nd Q reduces combos of Qs in villains range significantly. I'd expect a smaller bet for value with a Q or A considering I'm unknown to villain.

PokerStars - $12.30+$12.25+$2.45|50/100 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 1,790 (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 33)
UTG+1: 21,364 (VPIP: 35.19, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)
MP: 5,302 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 5,920 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BTN: 3,220 (VPIP: 16.89, PFR: 10.79, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 148)
SB: 2,470 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BB): 2,990

7 players post ante of 10, SB posts SB 50, Hero posts BB 100

Pre Flop: (pot: 220) Hero has 6 A

UTG calls 100, fold, MP calls 100, fold, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (420, 3 players) Q 2 8
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets 200, Hero calls 200, fold

Turn: (820, 2 players) A
Hero checks, MP bets 400, Hero calls 400

River: (1,620, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, MP bets 1,600, Hero calls 1,600
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07-25-2014 , 07:47 AM
V will have it more than 2/3 of the time so it's a fold for me readless.
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07-25-2014 , 07:49 AM
Where did you pluck that number from?
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07-25-2014 , 07:53 AM
you need to be correct 1/3 for a breakeven call..
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07-25-2014 , 07:57 AM
You said villain will have it more than 2/3 of the time. How did you come to that conclusion?
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07-25-2014 , 08:01 AM
By the action..Q pairing the board after you called the flop is a very bad card for V to bluff on so as I said readless he will have it very often, he might also show up with 22/88 it's not just Qs he's valuebetting
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07-25-2014 , 08:03 AM
The Q isn't a bad card to bluff on! I give up. Can someone else comment please.
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07-25-2014 , 08:07 AM
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude when you call the flop with a player left to act you've got a Q or a fd, f/d bricked so why would he polarize his range by psbing when u fold all non A high f/ds and call all Qs? It really feels like you're acting stupid
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07-25-2014 , 08:18 AM
Correct, I do have FDs and Qs but I also have small pocket pairs and pairs of 8s. Villain can bet river to get me off the latter hands with his bluffs.

This is the last time I'm going to respond to one of your posts.
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07-25-2014 , 08:26 AM
ya I give up also I feel like I'm talking to a complete ******. Or well, maybe you are if you include pocket pairs in your range AFTER CALLING FLOP AND TURN
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07-25-2014 , 10:08 AM
DecisionMade,
It seems like your decision about your line was already made, so I don't see why you posted it.
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07-25-2014 , 10:09 AM
It was... which is why I called. I thought this was a check-up thread? I'd like people to find faults in the line, suggest a better line or verify the line but i dont want nonsense comments - "he's ahead more than 2/3 of the time" - wtf?

Edit: Alexo is on my ignore list. I know he was trying to help but I cant help get frustrated when people comment with silly posts.

Last edited by DecisionMade; 07-25-2014 at 10:14 AM.
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07-25-2014 , 10:13 AM
I wrote a ****ing essay to help you understand since the short version didn't work for you, but of course since you think you have pocket pairs in your range after calling the turn you can't grasp any poker related concept
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07-25-2014 , 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexo
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude when you call the flop with a player left to act you've got a Q or a fd, f/d bricked so why would he polarize his range by psbing when u fold all non A high f/ds and call all Qs? It really feels like you're acting stupid
This is woeful logic for a few reasons. The Q is an excellent bluff card on the river because any AsXs, funky two pair combos being checked in the BB now lose to it, and villain has bet all three streets. Note the board means that middling aces are still losing to AT,AJ etc; any competent player putting hero on a range can bluff the river and expect a fold a reasonable amount of the time.

I find it ironic you're calling DecisionMade on 'acting stupid' yet seem to be pulling the '2/3' statistic out of your ass.
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07-25-2014 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexo
I wrote a ****ing essay to help you understand since the short version didn't work for you, but of course since you think you have pocket pairs in your range after calling the turn you can't grasp any poker related concept
4 lines = 'a f****** essay'
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08-16-2014 , 11:42 AM
this has been bugging the **** out of me since it happened:

Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10000/t20000 Blinds + t2500 - 5 players - View hand 2559880
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): t321190 M = 7.56
UTG: t1561257 M = 36.74
CO: t281866 M = 6.63
BTN: t1769843 M = 41.64
SB: t279191 M = 6.57

Pre Flop: (t42500) Hero is BB with J Q
1 fold, CO raises to t40000, 1 fold, SB calls t30000, Hero raises to t318690 all in, 1 fold, SB calls t236691 all in

Flop: (t605882) 7 K 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t605882) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t605882) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)



shows ATo.

am I doing anything wrong by piling? do I have room to actually flat?

opener is a high level pro who has been abusing my BB since I've shown a propensity to fold it. flatter is a meh player who doesn't seem capable of anything crazy but doesn't seem too stupid.

immediately after he flats I assume he has a hand he's willing to fold, especially being the FT bubble.. even with his stack size. so I figure something along the lines of AXs, QTs, etc. But AT? Why is he not piling all day? anyone with a brain knows CO is opening extremely light in this spot... I guess I just want some general input here..
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08-17-2014 , 10:28 AM
3bb utg with 98o in hotter tourney final 2 table (`18ppl) fold or get it in ATC the next hand ? always wondered for spots like this
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08-17-2014 , 10:37 AM
Do we consider folding? ~100 left ~45k AVG, Bigger 33$ which starts 11:00, much softer than the the tournies later.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$30+$3

Stacks:
UTG loopycow (18,676) 13bb
UTG+1 gaiggibeliin (81,807) 58bb
MP1 KaMpAmBa14 (86,469) 62bb
MP2 ya Mishutka (42,549) 30bb
CO platoX314 (68,782) 49bb
BTN Epiphany77 (45,506) 33bb
SB cannae70 (29,130) 21bb
BB FischSchreck (20,430) 15bb

Blinds: 700/1,400 Ante 175

Pre-Flop: (3,500, 8 players) gaiggibeliin is UTG+1 K A
loopycow goes all-in 18,501, gaiggibeliin calls 18,501, 2 folds, platoX314 goes all-in 68,607, 3 folds,
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08-21-2014 , 04:22 PM
I guess we can fold if villain is the nit of the century (which he isn't), but otherwise I am not folding with these odds.
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09-03-2014 , 07:21 PM
    Poker Stars, $24.55 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 85 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    UTG+2: 24,849 (35.5 bb)
    MP1: 12,951 (18.5 bb)
    MP2: 21,691 (31 bb)
    MP3: 21,266 (30.4 bb)
    CO: 11,721 (16.7 bb)
    BTN: 26,371 (37.7 bb)
    SB: 9,775 (14 bb)
    BB: 68,081 (97.3 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): 16,330 (23.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q A
    Hero raises to 1,400, 3 folds, MP3 raises to 21,181 and is all-in, 5 folds


    27 PKO

    First hand at a new table. V is unknown and OPR doesn't say much. V has a $39 bounty and I have a $12 bounty.

    Am I right to fold here vs a 30 BB shove?
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    09-04-2014 , 12:36 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nugohsmm
    this has been bugging the **** out of me since it happened:

    Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10000/t20000 Blinds + t2500 - 5 players - View hand 2559880
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    Hero (BB): t321190 M = 7.56
    UTG: t1561257 M = 36.74
    CO: t281866 M = 6.63
    BTN: t1769843 M = 41.64
    SB: t279191 M = 6.57

    Pre Flop: (t42500) Hero is BB with J Q
    1 fold, CO raises to t40000, 1 fold, SB calls t30000, Hero raises to t318690 all in, 1 fold, SB calls t236691 all in

    Flop: (t605882) 7 K 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

    Turn: (t605882) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

    River: (t605882) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)



    shows ATo.

    am I doing anything wrong by piling? do I have room to actually flat?

    opener is a high level pro who has been abusing my BB since I've shown a propensity to fold it. flatter is a meh player who doesn't seem capable of anything crazy but doesn't seem too stupid.

    immediately after he flats I assume he has a hand he's willing to fold, especially being the FT bubble.. even with his stack size. so I figure something along the lines of AXs, QTs, etc. But AT? Why is he not piling all day? anyone with a brain knows CO is opening extremely light in this spot... I guess I just want some general input here..
    i think QJo is a great hand to defend pre at this stack size (esp after the SB calls) against someone who's opening a wide range since we can happily gii on Q-high/J-high/OESD boards (as well as boards where we flop a gutter, though not as happily, ofc)
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    09-04-2014 , 12:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DjHitzz
      Poker Stars, $24.55 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 85 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG+2: 24,849 (35.5 bb)
      MP1: 12,951 (18.5 bb)
      MP2: 21,691 (31 bb)
      MP3: 21,266 (30.4 bb)
      CO: 11,721 (16.7 bb)
      BTN: 26,371 (37.7 bb)
      SB: 9,775 (14 bb)
      BB: 68,081 (97.3 bb)
      Hero (UTG+1): 16,330 (23.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q A
      Hero raises to 1,400, 3 folds, MP3 raises to 21,181 and is all-in, 5 folds


      27 PKO

      First hand at a new table. V is unknown and OPR doesn't say much. V has a $39 bounty and I have a $12 bounty.

      Am I right to fold here vs a 30 BB shove?
      i am 100% folding here (unless villain is a preflop aggrotard of the greatest proportions)
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      10-03-2014 , 02:02 PM
      Bet/f or c/c river ?

      PokerStars - $20+$2|10/20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: 116.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 16)
      BB: 150 BB (VPIP: 19.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 4.10, Hands: 330)
      Hero (UTG): 204 BB
      CO: 148.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 11.79, 3Bet Preflop: 9.41, Hands: 248)
      BTN: 150 BB (VPIP: 16.01, PFR: 11.59, 3Bet Preflop: 4.31, Hands: 284)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

      Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

      Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 8 9 Q
      SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB, fold

      Turn: (20 BB, 2 players) 3
      Hero bets 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB

      River: (40 BB, 2 players) Q
      Hero checks, BTN bets 28 BB, Hero calls 28 BB

      Spoiler:
      BTN shows Q J (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 14%, Flop 32%, Turn 20%)
      Hero mucks K K (Two Pair, Kings and Queens) (Pre 86%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
      BTN wins 96 BB
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      10-04-2014 , 03:58 AM
      Hey guys. This is in the Big 55. Lots of action in front of us. Fold or call? Cheers

        Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (250/500 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        BB: 25,430 (50.9 bb)
        UTG+1: 4,748 (9.5 bb)
        UTG+2: 18,988 (38 bb)
        MP1: 8,370 (16.7 bb)
        MP2: 6,188 (12.4 bb)
        MP3: 9,090 (18.2 bb)
        CO: 6,039 (12.1 bb)
        BTN: 5,607 (11.2 bb)
        Hero (SB): 4,503 (9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
        UTG+1 raises to 4,688 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls 4,688, 2 folds, MP3 raises to 9,030 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ???

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        10-04-2014 , 11:16 AM
        jungix - its fine to c/f river considering you block some missed stuff and he has lots of sdv in his range.

        DEggs - i`d go with it if smth could tell me UTG+2 is a dolt.
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