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11-01-2013 , 02:54 PM
Lol! Yes, an older guy at the table got on him for that. The kid called just about every hand and spewed chips for the next hour and a half until he busted out. You'd love to see this guy in your cash game.
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11-01-2013 , 05:56 PM
He's there every week
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11-03-2013 , 12:26 AM
Final two tables.

V1 is chip leader, only been here 12 hands and opened 40%.
V2 is very fishy and flatting a lot.
We are 6/15 in chips.

Is jam here standard? Too deep? better lines? ICM considerations. Just get it in and chalk it up to variance if we lose.

This kind of spot happens fairly frequently and my default is just to jam. Wonder if people have any better ideas.





    Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (3,000/6,000 blinds, 600 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20411221

    Hero (BB): 182,693 (30.4 bb)
    UTG+2: 250,286 (41.7 bb)
    MP1: 318,031 (53 bb)
    MP2: 166,179 (27.7 bb)
    MP3: 306,891 (51.1 bb)
    CO: 27,801 (4.6 bb)
    BTN: 169,091 (28.2 bb)
    SB: 185,598 (30.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
    UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 12,000, 3 folds, BTN calls 12,000, SB folds, Hero raises to 182,093 and is all-in

    Results: 43,800 pot
    Hero mucked K A and lost (-12,600 net)
    MP1 mucked and lost (-12,600 net)
    BTN mucked and lost (-12,600 net)



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    11-03-2013 , 07:33 AM
    3bet/call?
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    11-03-2013 , 08:34 AM
    When ever I get in these spots I just wonder if someone has any weird white magic lines that let us fold somewhere.
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    11-04-2013 , 04:01 AM
    Live $330 buy-in MTT, blinds 50-100

    Hero (15000) is BTN with JJ
    V1 and V2 (both cover hero) are MP

    V1 opens for 400, V2 flats, Hero 3-bets to 1700, V1 folds, V2 calls

    Flop Q87r, pot 3950
    V2 checks, Hero bets 2000, V2 calls

    Turn offsuit K, pot 7950
    V2 checks, Hero bets 3500, V2 calls

    River J, pot 14950, 7800 effective behind
    V2 leads all-in, Hero ???

    I feel like barreling the turn K is mandatory, especially if I want a shot at getting the river checked through - is it? Beyond that, how's my sizing? Am I setting myself up to make good decisions here? I think I maybe could have bet more on flop/less on turn if I'm trying to charge his draws on the flop and get him to dump his floats on turn.

    Finally, since it's obvious enough why I'm posting this, do we ever have a real decision to make on the river (maybe if we check turn?) to try and find a hero fold, or are we virtually always getting in at least 1/3 of our stack between the 3-bet pre and the flop cbet and thus never folding a set unless we get a 4-straight or flush board?
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    11-04-2013 , 11:17 AM
    flat and 3bet both reasonable options pre. 3bet and sizing seem fine if that's your preferred option.

    c-bet seems fine, but could go lower 1500 to keep a wider range (mid pairs, A9s etc) continuing. as played i think you've found Qx or better.

    turn is a check once he c/c's flop. river is a trivial gii vv his range which includes KQ etc.
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    11-04-2013 , 11:19 AM
    if they never fold to 23x 3bet then I prefer flatting.
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    11-04-2013 , 01:21 PM
    What is a profitable open jamming range in a live wsopc $365 event at a tough table with 12bb from utg? Money bubble is still ~50 players away, antes are huge compared to the blinds.
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    11-04-2013 , 01:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hand Shaker
    What is a profitable open jamming range in a live wsopc $365 event at a tough table with 12bb from utg? Money bubble is still ~50 players away, antes are huge compared to the blinds.
    Google jennifear push chart.
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    11-04-2013 , 02:32 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bikram
    Google jennifear push chart.
    Thanks. The size of antes changes things quite a bit, I appreciate the reply.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?hl=en_US&key=0AiRCAFDKL6fIdHE0QWt5elZMUkU4YzVrS lBVZk5EMFE&hl=en_US&f=true&noheader=true&gid=2
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    11-04-2013 , 05:15 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hand Shaker
    Thanks. The size of antes changes things quite a bit, I appreciate the reply.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...der=true&gid=2
    yes, nothing in there is hard and fast though.
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    11-06-2013 , 08:40 PM
    22r action hour vs mass-multitabling good reg, not much more info. He raised river very fast, at this time he was playing 20+tables on stars.
    Time for a herofold? Toughts 3betshoving as a bluff? Would probably raise sets a lot otf here tho...



      Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 140 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20537441

      MP: 57,936 (82.8 bb)
      CO: 27,048 (38.6 bb)
      BTN: 42,657 (60.9 bb)
      SB: 15,278 (21.8 bb)
      Hero (BB): 45,734 (65.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 5
      2 folds, BTN raises to 1,400, SB folds, Hero calls 700

      Flop: (3,850) 7 4 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets 1,700, Hero calls 1,700

      Turn: (7,250) Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: (7,250) 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets 4,888, BTN raises to 12,776, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: 17,026 pot
      Final Board: 7 4 2 Q 4
      BTN mucked and won 17,026 (8,898 net)
      Hero mucked 4 5 and lost (-8,128 net)



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      11-06-2013 , 11:24 PM
      what`s his value range?
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      11-07-2013 , 04:46 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MarGar
      22r action hour vs mass-multitabling good reg, not much more info. He raised river very fast, at this time he was playing 20+tables on stars.
      Time for a herofold? Toughts 3betshoving as a bluff? Would probably raise sets a lot otf here tho...



        Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (350/700 blinds, 140 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20537441

        MP: 57,936 (82.8 bb)
        CO: 27,048 (38.6 bb)
        BTN: 42,657 (60.9 bb)
        SB: 15,278 (21.8 bb)
        Hero (BB): 45,734 (65.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 5
        2 folds, BTN raises to 1,400, SB folds, Hero calls 700

        Flop: (3,850) 7 4 2 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets 1,700, Hero calls 1,700

        Turn: (7,250) Q (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN checks

        River: (7,250) 4 (2 players)
        Hero bets 4,888, BTN raises to 12,776, Hero folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: 17,026 pot
        Final Board: 7 4 2 Q 4
        BTN mucked and won 17,026 (8,898 net)
        Hero mucked 4 5 and lost (-8,128 net)



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        whoa, wait a minute, what did you put him on?
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        11-07-2013 , 08:46 AM
        I feel like he's rarely checking back that turn with sets/2pr
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        11-07-2013 , 10:21 AM
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        Originally Posted by Degenfish
        I feel like he's rarely checking back that turn with sets/2pr
        So, you think he has the case 4 then?
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        11-07-2013 , 12:22 PM
        I think the better part of his value range is the case 4 (and it's worth noting hero has the second worst possible trips), but if he's putting hero on a float oop/draw on flop + stab river he can turn a lot of his sdv hands, plus the odd bit of air he might show up with if he thinks it's a good spot
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        11-07-2013 , 12:30 PM
        never folding here, I think all the hands that have you beat are betting the turn, so pretty easy call. Only hands that do have you beat are 4x like a4 k4 but that's a too small percentage @that 45s hand
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        11-07-2013 , 05:41 PM
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        Originally Posted by Degenfish
        I think the better part of his value range is the case 4 (and it's worth noting hero has the second worst possible trips), but if he's putting hero on a float oop/draw on flop + stab river he can turn a lot of his sdv hands, plus the odd bit of air he might show up with if he thinks it's a good spot
        that's supposed to read "turn a lot of his SDV hands into bluffs" -- I couldn't find a fold here, either. I think it sucks if you call and lose but life goes on and it's not as big a mistake as losing the entire pot when you only have to be ahead of him like a quarter of the time
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        11-10-2013 , 12:25 PM
        $33 10k, itm 25 left

        Blinds 1250/2500 250

        Hero is dealt 88

        UTG+1 120k: Raise 2500
        Hero (sb) 59944: ?

        Villain is slightly losing reg over 951 games and abi of 54. Has been opening his share. Don't remember all the table stacks too much but remember that people were playing pretty std and there weren't too man short stacks.
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        11-10-2013 , 01:22 PM
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        Originally Posted by tboneparte
        $33 10k, itm 25 left

        Blinds 1250/2500 250

        Hero is dealt 88

        UTG+1 120k: Raise 2500
        Hero (sb) 59944: ?

        Villain is slightly losing reg over 951 games and abi of 54. Has been opening his share. Don't remember all the table stacks too much but remember that people were playing pretty std and there weren't too man short stacks.
        BB stack ? Prob 3b/c pre
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        11-10-2013 , 01:29 PM
        20-30bb I believe.
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        11-11-2013 , 04:54 AM
        Live $150 buy in. Blinds 50/100

        UTG+1 (8000) Lag - plays almost every hand, calls most pre flop raises and flop and turn bets, reraised with pocket queens huge on the turn when there was an Ace on the board.

        UTG +2 (6500) - Tighter older gentleman - nothing too out of line, seems to call too loose preflop then check folds flops a lot. Risked his tournament life too early with AJo when he opened and was reraised all in.

        CO (6000) - Tight younger player - has shown down decent hands.

        Hero in SB (4600) - I have a tight image - haven't been involved in many pots in an hour and a half and have only raised once preflop. Only pot I won was by betting the turn on a 4 to a straight board so I haven't had to show down.

        UTG+1, UTG+2, CO limp, Hero in SB raises to 300 with KK. All limpers call.

        (1300) Flop: 865

        Hero leads for 800. UTG+1 and UTG+2 call, CO folds.

        (3700) Turn: 8

        Hero leads for 1500. UTG+1 quickly raises to 3000. UTG+2 folds.

        Pot is 8200. Hero has 2000 left. My "read" was that villain had an 8 in his hand, but am I committed or can I find a fold here given the blinds are still low?

        Should I have played this differently?
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        11-11-2013 , 05:27 AM
        Raise more pre-flop oop with so many limpers. 600-700, you'll probably still get callers.

        How did V play the QQ hand? Did he limp/call, limp/raise, open raise? If you can eliminate 99-QQ from his range then I think you have to fold as there's really nothing on this board that you beat and 20bbs is still a very playable stack.
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