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10-17-2013 , 01:53 PM
What do you guys think of this? 23/7 38% vpip ep lots of calling.


After the hand happened I felt like my sizing pre was terrible with this kind of player but at the same time I feel like I crush his flatting range and rarely see him 3b. Do you guys like an open fold on flop? turn jam?


    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20039431

    MP2: 4,203 (21 bb)
    MP3: 2,745 (13.7 bb)
    CO: 8,668 (43.3 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 9,024 (45.1 bb)
    SB: 5,718 (28.6 bb)
    BB: 3,449 (17.2 bb)
    UTG+1: 9,855 (49.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 6,970 (34.9 bb)
    MP1: 2,910 (14.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 200, 4 folds, Hero raises to 785, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls 585

    Flop: (2,095) 4 T 5 (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets 1,000, Hero calls 1,000

    Turn: (4,095) J (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets 1,600, Hero calls 1,600

    River: (7,295) 7 (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets 1,800, Hero folds




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    10-18-2013 , 03:22 AM
    Puke spot against fish $11 FO

    Guys played 120 games with $118 in cashes, playing 47/0 over 20 hands. Looks like an easy fold but feel like this guy could be raising with so many worse hands.





      Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20060221

      BB: 2,645 (88.2 bb)
      UTG+1: 2,820 (94 bb)
      UTG+2: 3,060 (102 bb)
      MP1: 2,730 (91 bb)
      MP2: 2,940 (98 bb)
      MP3: 3,000 (100 bb)
      CO: 3,105 (103.5 bb)
      BTN: 2,830 (94.3 bb)
      Hero (SB): 3,475 (115.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 5
      3 folds, MP2 raises to 75, MP3 folds, CO calls 75, BTN folds, Hero calls 60, BB calls 45

      Flop: (300) 5 K 7 (4 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, CO checks

      Turn: (300) 4 (4 players)
      Hero bets 210, 2 folds, CO calls 210

      River: (720) Q (2 players)
      Hero bets 444, CO raises to 2,490




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      10-18-2013 , 06:24 AM
      mookie - Id shove turn on that card after calling flop.

      dogarse - yes folding is ok vs described player. make it bigger otr tho ~480-500.
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      10-19-2013 , 01:30 AM
      Mookie - I don't mind floating flop, but when he keeps pressing on the turn, I kinda hate my life cause so many pp are in his range just based on your read on him and his line. It's close and a shove can't be bad, but I prolly fold and wait for a better spot.

      Dogarse - never folding here. I actually like inducing shove with your sizing Otr.
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      10-19-2013 , 03:25 PM
      Villain is some midstakes reg - 34/22 in 175 hands. opening 26% utg.
      low af post, cbets 50%.
      Have some notes he`s bad and clicky.

      its bigger $109.

      shove or do you like to 3b/x some kind of a range?

      I was active, have not 3bet yet.

      PokerStars - $100+$9|15/30 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      CO: 1,950.00
      BTN: 2,853.00
      Hero (SB): 3,956.00
      BB: 2,810.00
      UTG: 3,005.00
      UTG+1: 3,045.00
      MP: 2,935.00
      MP+1: 2,655.00
      LP: 3,000.00

      Hero posts SB 15.00, BB posts BB 30.00

      Pre Flop: (45.00) Hero has K Q

      fold, UTG+1 raises to 60.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 45.00, fold

      Flop: (150.00, 2 players) 8 A 9
      Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

      Turn: (150.00, 2 players) 5
      Hero bets 100.00, UTG+1 calls 100.00

      River: (350.00, 2 players) 7
      Hero bets 225.00, UTG+1 raises to 540.00, Hero...
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      10-19-2013 , 04:22 PM
      I guess I would jam. It depends on how fast he raised though.
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      10-19-2013 , 08:09 PM
      Is this fold too nitty? $4.40, 2R1A.

      Villain is a random, 31/15 with 0 3 bets over 64 hands.

      Usually open 2x but 3xing it here because everyone is so deep.



        Poker Stars, $4 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20075741

        Hero (UTG+2): 15,837 (132 bb)
        MP1: 2,300 (19.2 bb)
        MP2: 11,472 (95.6 bb)
        MP3: 8,147 (67.9 bb)
        CO: 7,897 (65.8 bb)
        BTN: 16,784 (139.9 bb)
        SB: 4,108 (34.2 bb)
        BB: 6,915 (57.6 bb)
        UTG+1: 1,327 (11.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T T
        UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 360, 2 folds, MP3 calls 360, CO raises to 960, 5 folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: 1,395 pot
        CO mucked and won 1,395 (1,020 net)



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        10-19-2013 , 08:15 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz
        Villain is some midstakes reg - 34/22 in 175 hands. opening 26% utg.
        low af post, cbets 50%.
        Have some notes he`s bad and clicky.

        its bigger $109.

        shove or do you like to 3b/x some kind of a range?

        I was active, have not 3bet yet.

        PokerStars - $100+$9|15/30 NL - Holdem - 9 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        CO: 1,950.00
        BTN: 2,853.00
        Hero (SB): 3,956.00
        BB: 2,810.00
        UTG: 3,005.00
        UTG+1: 3,045.00
        MP: 2,935.00
        MP+1: 2,655.00
        LP: 3,000.00

        Hero posts SB 15.00, BB posts BB 30.00

        Pre Flop: (45.00) Hero has K Q

        fold, UTG+1 raises to 60.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 45.00, fold

        Flop: (150.00, 2 players) 8 A 9
        Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

        Turn: (150.00, 2 players) 5
        Hero bets 100.00, UTG+1 calls 100.00

        River: (350.00, 2 players) 7
        Hero bets 225.00, UTG+1 raises to 540.00, Hero...
        I´d jam since he prolly c-bets his AhXh otf and not that many flushes on your perceived range and maybe hero worst flushes if you shoe.
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        10-19-2013 , 08:17 PM
        Dogarse I have no problem releasing TT after this type of player 3bets you.
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        10-19-2013 , 09:16 PM
        Is the x in 3b/x fold or call? Im either jamming or calling the river. Also see regs go for showdown with a flop check with ahxh.

        I would flat the tens.
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        10-24-2013 , 01:53 PM
        Does anybody use "NOTE TRACKER" from PT4? Does it work? what's your thought's on this software - is it worth it? Gonna ask around the forums...
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        10-24-2013 , 03:16 PM
        Villain is 20 / 16 / 5 3b supernova, don't have any other notes but assume they're a straightfoward tag, rate my call

          Poker Stars, $69 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20179561

          MP2: 2,810 (28.1 bb)
          MP3: 1,253 (12.5 bb)
          CO: 2,845 (28.5 bb)
          BTN: 3,995 (40 bb)
          SB: 2,840 (28.4 bb)
          Hero (BB): 4,510 (45.1 bb)
          UTG+1: 5,395 (54 bb)
          UTG+2: 3,000 (30 bb)
          MP1: 6,562 (65.6 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with K J
          4 folds, MP3 raises to 1,243 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero calls 1,143

          Flop: (2,626) A T 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          Turn: (2,626) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: (2,626) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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          10-24-2013 , 03:20 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by sohoskiracer
          Villain is 20 / 16 / 5 3b supernova, don't have any other notes but assume they're a straightfoward tag, rate my call

            Poker Stars, $69 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20179561

            MP2: 2,810 (28.1 bb)
            MP3: 1,253 (12.5 bb)
            CO: 2,845 (28.5 bb)
            BTN: 3,995 (40 bb)
            SB: 2,840 (28.4 bb)
            Hero (BB): 4,510 (45.1 bb)
            UTG+1: 5,395 (54 bb)
            UTG+2: 3,000 (30 bb)
            MP1: 6,562 (65.6 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with K J
            4 folds, MP3 raises to 1,243 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero calls 1,143

            Flop: (2,626) A T 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            Turn: (2,626) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: (2,626) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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            I hate to give a pat response but this seems like a stove example if I ever saw one with the assumption that supernova is shoving nash.
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            10-24-2013 , 03:48 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by bikram
            I hate to give a pat response but this seems like a stove example if I ever saw one with the assumption that supernova is shoving nash.
            Haha no worries I've given worse/terser replies. Honestly bikram I lost my nash charts a while ago/where to find them, i usually crunch numbers on pen and paper anyway, it improves my game more...yeah I know, bad, but wtv, also when I did memorize nash a long time ago I always found the range constructions to be misbalanced, idk i probably should go back to them.

            If you have a link I'd gladly grab it off you, was sorta wondering what people think his range is in that spot, even amongst regs spots like that seem to have pretty wide variation in ranges that early in the tourney, im fairly sure KJs is a call there
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            10-24-2013 , 03:54 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by sohoskiracer
            Haha no worries I've given worse/terser replies. Honestly bikram I lost my nash charts a while ago/where to find them, i usually crunch numbers on pen and paper anyway, it improves my game more...yeah I know, bad, but wtv, also when I did memorize nash a long time ago I always found the range constructions to be misbalanced, idk i probably should go back to them.

            If you have a link I'd gladly grab it off you, was sorta wondering what people think his range is in that spot, even amongst regs spots like that seem to have pretty wide variation in ranges that early in the tourney, im fairly sure KJs is a call there
            If you send me a PM between like 9:30 PM and 12:30 AM EST, I will run the calculations and then post them here unless no one beats me to it. I might not remember otherwise. I'm generally not a fan of calling off with King high for more than 10BBs from a shove to the right of the button, but let's see what the stove says.
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            10-24-2013 , 04:00 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by bikram
            If you send me a PM between like 9:30 PM and 12:30 AM EST, I will run the calculations and then post them here unless no one beats me to it. I might not remember otherwise. I'm generally not a fan of calling off with King high for more than 10BBs from a shove to the right of the button, but let's see what the stove says.
            K will do, although Ill probably crunch them before that and just go through a whole bunch of ranges, is there a chart/nash program accesible online so I can pluf that range in?, the only reason I posted this is b/c im unsure of his range there, not that i don't know how to stove hands haha...sorry for the impertinent questions
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            10-24-2013 , 06:37 PM
            Its a snap call. Fme they shove very wide. Also few hands dominate you plus you cant bust. Also busting a 12bb shover is pretty optimal

            Edit: ive seen k8 suited here so if anyone is running number include that.
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            10-24-2013 , 07:59 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by sohoskiracer
            K will do, although Ill probably crunch them before that and just go through a whole bunch of ranges, is there a chart/nash program accesible online so I can pluf that range in?, the only reason I posted this is b/c im unsure of his range there, not that i don't know how to stove hands haha...sorry for the impertinent questions
            I am assuming no icm implications given stack sizes.

            ok, villain's nash range should be 22+, A2s+, A8o+, K7s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo, T8s+, 98s, 87s, which is reasonable for a supernova.

            The total pot if we call will have 2,626 chips. We need to call an additional 1,143 chips, so we need 43.5% equity against his range. You could make it tighter, but this won't take a monster dent out of your stack, so let's look at this purely from cev perspective. With KJs, we have 49.1% equity against his range, which should make this a snap call. I stand corrected. We should be calling with 33+, A2s+, A7o+, K9s+, KTo+, QJs.
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            10-24-2013 , 08:02 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by bikram
            I am assuming no icm implications given stack sizes.

            ok, villain's nash range should be 22+, A2s+, A8o+, K7s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo, T8s+, 98s, 87s, which is reasonable for a supernova.

            The total pot if we call will have 2,626 chips. We need to call an additional 1,143 chips, so we need 43.5% equity against his range. You could make it tighter, but this won't take a monster dent out of your stack, so let's look at this purely from cev perspective. With KJs, we have 49.1% equity against his range, which should make this a snap call. I stand corrected. We should be calling with 33+, A2s+, A7o+, K9s+, KTo+, QJs.
            Hey, thanks bikram!, I crunched it with a very slightly tighter range and found it to be a call too, clearly i need to get back to SnG wiz more b/c imo KJs and 66+ were the bottom of my calling range there in game

            EDIT: Saw the post bellow so am ninjaing in a thank you, thanks bikram!

            Last edited by sohoskiracer; 10-24-2013 at 08:14 PM.
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            10-24-2013 , 08:09 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by sohoskiracer
            Hey, thanks bikram!, I crunched it with a very slightly tighter range and found it to be a call too, clearly i need to get back to SnG wiz more b/c imo KJs and 66+ were the bottom of my calling range there in game
            ok and for push/shove nash charts, google the word jennifear.
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            10-29-2013 , 03:00 PM
            Live $260 buy in
            I've had a nice run and built up to 70000. I've already knocked out 3 players and have a rare for me aggressive image. A cocky kid sits down to my left and plays his first two hands fairly loose. He has about 50000. Blinds are 400/800. I open from UTG+1 with 98ss for 2200 as I'm trying to expand my game from my usual nitiness. Kid makes it 5000, everyone folds and I call.

            (11200) flop is 10 8 X. I check he bets another 5000 which looks weak to me so I call.
            (21200) turn brings a 6 and he dares me to check. I check, he checks.
            River is an 8 and I quickly go all in. He starts flipping out pissed off because he knows the 8 helped me. He folds and shows A 10. He taunts me to show and I just flip over the 9 which makes him call me a donkey like 3 times saying how bad I was to call 5000 preflop with what he thinks is either 97 or 98. Please critique my play and his. Thanks!
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            10-30-2013 , 07:40 AM
            yes pre is close and probably bad.
            open smaller tho.
            and shoving 40 into 20 is a bit too much, just vb around 2/3 pot.

            dont show your cards unless you can level your opponent.
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            11-01-2013 , 08:01 AM
            Thanks for the response. The 98s open from ep is out of character for me. I had a little breathing room with my stack and given the previous action, the table would've put me on a much bigger starting hand like a big ace or 99+. Is calling the 3 bet bad? I know I'm out of position, but aren't I priced in at that point?
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            11-01-2013 , 10:30 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz
            yes pre is close and probably bad.
            open smaller tho.
            and shoving 40 into 20 is a bit too much, just vb around 2/3 pot.

            dont show your cards unless you can level your opponent.
            I think Wash meant the call of the 3-bet was close and probably bad and not the opening raise, which IMO is OK to balance your opening range from EP with.
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            11-01-2013 , 11:19 AM
            V made a very bad mistake by not betting turn
            I think it's only fair that you point this fact out to him.
            he will very much appreciate this and it should lead to a frank and open exchange of ideas
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