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08-11-2011 , 12:14 PM

#26

furo

deviation of equilibrium

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i agreed to his first post.
prolly should have quoted but dunno how you could misinterpret my posts anyway.

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08-11-2011 , 12:24 PM

#27

dereds

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Because you agreed to a post that said

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Villain's range has to be weighted towards eights and 99-QQ to make calling bad

then said

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just dont think b/c or c/shove is any good.

It's not consistent and I don't think it's a case of me misinterpreting your post

That said B/C may be a mistake here but I'm not looking to c/f and definitely not b/f the nut no pair with bd hearts 20bb's deep.

My problem is that c/f is going to be better than bet fold if we don't think we have the equity to call a jam because it is going to make his preflop range too strong to bet into.

check shove I think is fine because his betting range when we check is going to be wider than his raising range when we lead.

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08-11-2011 , 12:34 PM

#28

furo

deviation of equilibrium

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in every of my post i asumed that villain is tight. therefore b/f > b/c or c/shove. c/f seems fine as well for the reasons you just named.

and if he was wide and we can give him more stuff we beat its a b/c > b/f (but then c/shove becomes alot better as well)

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08-11-2011 , 12:49 PM

#29

dereds

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we don't have enough information to really call it though, the problem is he's flatted an UTG open from UTG+1 20bb effective, if he has 77 in his range then he is flatting too wide and we have to increase the amount of unpaired stuff in his range.

If he's good and tight his range is probably KK+ and we have blockers to that and we both know in $55's on stars there is a significant chance villain is making a mistake

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08-11-2011 , 12:56 PM

#30

ssnyc

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It comes down to equity calcs as I think we can assume that we don't have any FE on a c/shove

Vic...I usually am in the camp of not folding the not non pair this shallow but I am not sure if we can construct a bet/call range that works...

Is he really flatting a hand like QJ suited and then bluff shoving the flop? I mean he has to have a pair right?

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08-11-2011 , 01:06 PM

#31

dereds

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nah if we check shove I think we do have FE

and yeah he should have a pair but then he should have KK+ and we have blockers to that, we need less than 33% equity and folding leaves us paying the blinds off a 14bb stack if we don't think we can call a shove I don't think we can bet

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08-11-2011 , 01:11 PM

#32

ssnyc

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Originally Posted by dereds

if we take out our FE then I think c/f> all

the problem with c/shove is that he will hero pretty much all his pairs...

Do we expect him to spaz with any non pair hands no matter what line we take? I guess he can bet fold if checked too but that assumes he is flatting an AJ/KQ type hand pre and making a flop move which I am not sure about...

hard to decide without a feel for his pre flatting range