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Originally Posted by betgo
This isn't a shove. You shouldn't be shoving super wide with 17xBB, and I don't think Harrington would recommend that. This hand is a fold or raise/fold.
+1
Circling back to the "Concept of M is outdated" subject, it is simply and purely false in my opinion!
When you look at today's push/fold charts, they need to make assumptions about the ante%, the number of players at the table and so on.
M would be a much better tool for these charts than number of BBs!
If OP told us, "I had 15BBBs left and I read in <insert name here>'s book that it is a push/fold stack", it wouldn't make OP's play better or worse. M is not outdated, it is just the use of it that can be wrong. Just like with BBs. And I really do think that with BBs, people do even more mistakes, because they can't read those charts right (for example, looking at the "lowest holding I should shove with this amount of BBs and these ante" and shoving with it, not taking into consideration that the chart is based on a full ring table and that we are 5 players left now, which can make this shove EV-).
@OP: just type "jennifear push fold" in Google for a simple and readily available chart! Analyse it a few times to get a feel for the ranges. It will help out a lot. At some point (somewhere between 10BB and 20BB depending on table), you might want to consider splitting your ranges into push/fold/raise instead of just push/fold.
Last edited by scheier; 12-06-2016 at 08:41 AM.