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03-30-2017 , 08:50 AM
Hello,I have a hand from a 22 6 max tournament on Stars.We were like 70 bb deep each.He opens from UTG and I called on the BB with 76ss.Flop A69r.He bets half pot and I called.Turn is a 9 and I lead , he calls.River J, I overbet he calls with AQ. The thing is I new he was capped with having just top pair and I took this line.What do you think?Thanks!
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03-30-2017 , 09:05 AM
If you play your 9x the same way why not. You didn't mention your turn and river sizing though, pretty important.
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03-30-2017 , 09:09 AM
how u knew he was capped with just top pair ?
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03-30-2017 , 10:51 AM
I am having a hard time getting behind the weak lead on the turn. How many value hands are going to lead there?
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03-30-2017 , 10:56 AM
I learn some things,watch some videos and you can lead the turn with strong hands and weak hands when the turn is helping your range.
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03-30-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Nassacryl
I learn some things,watch some videos and you can lead the turn with strong hands and weak hands when the turn is helping your range.
That's fine, but then you overbet the river and you'll get looked up quite a bit with Ax hands.

Also instead of leading why not c/r OTT then jam river? I think that's a better bluffing line to take.
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03-30-2017 , 04:33 PM
I don't think you'd play a 9x this way on such a dry board.

What you're saying about leading on scary turns makes sense but this board is too dry to scare villains all that much.
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03-30-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nassacryl
I learn some things,watch some videos and you can lead the turn with strong hands and weak hands when the turn is helping your range.
What strong hands are in your range that you are leading here?

What I really mean is 96s 66 and 99 c/r the flop and if you slowplay the flop, you would most definitely check the turn looking to c/r the turn or continue to slow play.

J9/T9s/98s/97s would want to check here hoping for a double barrel from the aggressor in position.

You hand looks face up like complete air.
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03-30-2017 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
What strong hands are in your range that you are leading here?

What I really mean is 96s 66 and 99 c/r the flop and if you slowplay the flop, you would most definitely check the turn looking to c/r the turn or continue to slow play.

J9/T9s/98s/97s would want to check here hoping for a double barrel from the aggressor in position.

You hand looks face up like complete air.
+1. I cannot for the life of me come up with a leading range that makes any sense based on the board texture and previous action.
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03-31-2017 , 08:25 AM
OP, I don't think you did a bad job in this hand. When breaking down a flop cbetting range for our opponent, you expect it to be good Ax hands and two pair/sets. When the turn comes with the 9 and pairs the board, it is actually a good card for our overall range because our opponent now loses to trips while holding very few combos better than trips.

It's actually very reasonable to have a small turn lead with all of your range for a few reasons. One, this card is very bad for our opponent so we expect it to go check/check a decent amount leaving our 9x hands going in to a situation where we only have one bet in post flop going into the river. By leading small, we get value with our good hands. Two, we give our opponent the opportunity to make a mistake vs a small size and it's a spot where you shouldn't face a raise very often allowing for cheap prices with our drawing hands as well.

What I would say is that this will be less effective vs an early position raise. Our opponents range which beats trips will be a bigger % of his range compared to some late position opens. Additionally, he won't have so many bluffs to make a mistake with on the turn that could call vs a small price.

Without being r/o, I think villains call is good. While we will have 9x, we will probably over bluff this spot which means calling some of your Ax hands will be the way to go. It's better for your opponent to call AK/AQ compared to say AT, because he wants you to have some bricked draws with Tx.
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03-31-2017 , 09:38 AM
So then what is our leading range as opposed to our c/c, c/r and c/f ranges? That's what I'm struggling with.

If I put trips in a leading range, I'd want to balance them out with bluffs that have equity and what bluffs make sense that we c/c flop with? Or do I need to add other strong hands into a leading range so my range isn't just 9x or air? (EDIT: That might make my range even more unbalanced)

EDIT 2: I could sort of balance out my 9x hands with 87s as a lead as I guess you can make an argument to c/c that hand on the flop.

Last edited by jpgiro; 03-31-2017 at 09:49 AM.
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04-01-2017 , 12:37 PM
I mean let's say I call on the flop with 97 and I have trips on the turn, you never never lead?I mean for balancing I think you can lead sometimes.
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