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Most players are 10BB or less at FT, is it still all-in or fold ? Most players are 10BB or less at FT, is it still all-in or fold ?

02-23-2015 , 10:07 PM
Hi
I apologize if I am posting in the wrong forum but anyways here is my question. I started playing live poker tournaments at a local casino ($100-$125 buy in).
I know that one of the basic strategies of tournament poker is to go all in or fold when you are short stacked (I use 10BB or less ).

I religiously follow it but I got burned a few times because of this at final tables recently, like shoving with A3 with 3 players behind me and got called by AQ and got knocked out etc.

When I make it to the final table, most of the time almost every player is 10BB or less except for maybe 1 or 2 players, and everyone plays super tight.

Should I still stick to the fold/all in or should I use min raise since the blinds are so high (like 4000/8000 when chip leader has 90,000 chips) and most players seem to fold unless they have premium hands ?

Thanks in advance !
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02-24-2015 , 03:29 AM
At less than 10BB it really should be just a push/fold calc. Check Jennifear for ranges.
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02-24-2015 , 07:30 AM
Some may disagree but I don't think it would be bad to raise fold if u know fairly certain there folding everything but premiums I've been at these types of live final tables were there just waiting for AQ 99s plus to jam over ur raise but that was about a year ago not sure how much it's changed but no less then 10 bigs if u have 8 bigs u gotta just rip it in
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02-24-2015 , 10:44 AM
I feel your pain, as I find myself in the same situation very often.

The problem is not so much people reshoving, because at that point we could raise fold as we know that villains only reshove with a very tight range, but it's people flatting us. You just need for one cbet to go wrong and from 10bb we drop to 6 and loose fold equity especially when reshoving.

My preference is too play aggressive, shove what we need to and reshove when possible. Sure sometimes we'll get snapped by a big hand and go out early, but most of the times we'll be able to accumulate chips and go deep.

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02-24-2015 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrspiky
I feel your pain, as I find myself in the same situation very often.

The problem is not so much people reshoving, because at that point we could raise fold as we know that villains only reshove with a very tight range, but it's people flatting us. You just need for one cbet to go wrong and from 10bb we drop to 6 and loose fold equity especially when reshoving.

My preference is too play aggressive, shove what we need to and reshove when possible. Sure sometimes we'll get snapped by a big hand and go out early, but most of the times we'll be able to accumulate chips and go deep.

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+1
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02-24-2015 , 01:24 PM
Minraise stealing with 10xBB works better online, particularly at mid to high stakes, where you are less likely to get flat called, and people suspect a trap. Live you will get flat called a lot, and A3o doesn't play well postflop.
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02-24-2015 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
Minraise stealing with 10xBB works better online, particularly at mid to high stakes, where you are less likely to get flat called, and people suspect a trap. Live you will get flat called a lot, and A3o doesn't play well postflop.

I see what you are saying but most hands miss the flop, right ? And that includes AQ. If I had min raised with A3, then I could have folded to reshove, and/or I would have had position if AQ called.

That's why I am thinking maybe I should try min raises instead of shoving all the time at FT.
But I appreciate all your feed backs.
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02-24-2015 , 03:47 PM
in live comps you need to work to identify which opponents play online (will/shove and call correctly from 10bb) and who don't (will only shove/call premium). from here you can exploit the live players by minraise-folding stuff like A3. and folding similarly strong hands to allins from the live players which would be a snap online. it sounds pretty terrible, but as someone who plays roughly half and half live and online i can tell you that 'correct' shoves are not always the most +EV approach against livetards.
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02-24-2015 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gizzleduur
in live comps you need to work to identify which opponents play online (will/shove and call correctly from 10bb) and who don't (will only shove/call premium). from here you can exploit the live players by minraise-folding stuff like A3. and folding similarly strong hands to allins from the live players which would be a snap online. it sounds pretty terrible, but as someone who plays roughly half and half live and online i can tell you that 'correct' shoves are not always the most +EV approach against livetards.
Thanks, that's probably what I will try to do next time I make it to FT and see how it goes. I can always go back to all-in/fold mode if it doesn't work that well
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02-25-2015 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
Minraise stealing with 10xBB works better online, particularly at mid to high stakes, where you are less likely to get flat called, and people suspect a trap. Live you will get flat called a lot, and A3o doesn't play well postflop.
This isn't true at highstakes from what I see on pokerstars, maybe you mean from positions other than the BB?
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