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Old 07-10-2017, 10:35 PM   #1
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mining set faces a turn raise

How's my line, how should I play this turn when face a raise?

$30Buy-in( 5000/10000 blinds,1000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, Final table 5 Players, Only first place get paid
SB: 460,000 (46 bb)
BB: 100,000 (10bb)
UTG: 30,000 (3bb)
BTN: 100,000 (10 bb)
HERO(CO): 550,000(55 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4s 4h
UTG Fold, CO raise to 30,000, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (95,000) Ks 4c Jd(3 players)
Hero bets 40,000, SB calls, BB folds

Turn: (175,000) Ad (3 players)
Hero bets 70,000, SB raise to 160,000, Hero????
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:59 AM   #2
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Re: mining set faces a turn raise

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How's my line, how should I play this turn when face a raise?

$30Buy-in( 5000/10000 blinds,1000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, Final table 5 Players, Only first place get paid
SB: 460,000 (46 bb)
BB: 100,000 (10bb)
UTG: 30,000 (3bb)
BTN: 100,000 (10 bb)
HERO(CO): 550,000(55 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4s 4h
UTG Fold, CO raise to 30,000, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (95,000) Ks 4c Jd(3 players)
Hero bets 40,000, SB calls, BB folds

Turn: (175,000) Ad (3 players)
Hero bets 70,000, SB raise to 160,000, Hero????
i'm assuming they check to you before you bet on both streets

tough spot

we should be able to rule out sets here, plus AK,since any of them 3 bet. that leaves QT, KJ, A4, AJ plus random pair plus draws/combo draws. even if we discount everything other than QT, we have outs.

So call or shove... I dunno it's close. If we shove, we may get crying call from 2p.
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:28 AM   #3
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Re: mining set faces a turn raise

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i'm assuming they check to you before you bet on both streets

tough spot

we should be able to rule out sets here, plus AK,since any of them 3 bet. that leaves QT, KJ, A4, AJ plus random pair plus draws/combo draws. even if we discount everything other than QT, we have outs.

So call or shove... I dunno it's close. If we shove, we may get crying call from 2p.
I shoved, opponent called with QT, but I got lucky on the river, another J came.
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:55 AM   #4
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Re: mining set faces a turn raise

I think was right move i mean only thing he can have is actully qt to be raising you here or he turned two pair and is just trapping or getting value i dont think you can go anywhere here just have to go with it, not very likely he has higher set giving pre flop action and you just c betting hes not going anywherre with open ended draw gg nice river
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Old 07-11-2017, 05:36 AM   #5
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I think was right move i mean only thing he can have is actully qt to be raising you here or he turned two pair and is just trapping or getting value i dont think you can go anywhere here just have to go with it, not very likely he has higher set giving pre flop action and you just c betting hes not going anywherre with open ended draw gg nice river
I put him in [AJs,A4s,KJs,QTs,AJo,A4o,KJo,QTo]range, so I have 61.72% equity against his range. river card just perfect.
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:16 AM   #6
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Re: mining set faces a turn raise

I dont think KJ raises turn to get it in... I would call turn to at least keep his bluffs in (He can turn JT/Q4 etc into bluffs), and then reevaluate river.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:13 AM   #7
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I dont think KJ raises turn to get it in... I would call turn to at least keep his bluffs in (He can turn JT/Q4 etc into bluffs), and then reevaluate river.
I know "call" maybe the best option in this spot. But if the river didnt pair the board, opponent move all in, would you call or fold?
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:53 AM   #8
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uhh i'd feel really bad and probably end up calling.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:39 AM   #9
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I know "call" maybe the best option in this spot. But if the river didnt pair the board, opponent move all in, would you call or fold?

Additionally, if the river does pair the board and he shoves, do you call?
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:01 AM   #10
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Additionally, if the river does pair the board and he shoves, do you call?
If the river pairs the board then it's the card we were hoping for so yes you call.

As played i think i call turn and re evaluate river.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:07 PM   #11
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Re: mining set faces a turn raise

Because of the winner-take-all payout and the stack dynamics, I think you should have raised much larger preflop and tried to get one of the short stacks all-in and the SB out of the hand. I would have made it 50k or 60k pre. If the SB comes along anyway, that sucks, but I'm hoping to hit gin and jam the flop. If not, I'm going to play the hand very cautiously against and just try to get to showdown cheaply depending on board texture.

As played, because of those dynamics I think SB can show up here with premiums much more often if he is situationally aware. (OP was curiously readless?) I think he flats AK and JJ a decent amount of the time here, and I think AJ is also a part of his range.

Is this a live or an online tournament? For $30, it seems like the other players here are too terrible (flatting with QT in the SB? calling a raise with a 10 BB stack and folding on the flop in the BB?) for online play, but why no reads if it's live?

If we give villain a range of 8 AK combinations, 8 AJ combinations (I think he folds the flop and doesn't raise the turn often with it), JJ, and all QT, we have about 38% equity OTT. So I'm definitely flatting but this sets up an awful river if the board pairs, and especially if the ace does. In fact, if it does and he jams, I'm seriously considering folding. We are winning 61% of the time on an ace river and almost 91% when the jack pairs against that range, but how often is he stuffing AK when the jack pairs or QT when the board pairs? Not very often.
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