Just transferred to the table so no reads..dont know why pt4 wont let me convert the hand?

MERGE_GAME #48542641-283: Holdem NL Tournament 02/05/2012 20:02:43
Table Sunday $100,000 Guaranteed Freezeout, 48096925, Seats 9 (Tournament: Sunday $100,000 Guaranteed Freezeout, 48096925 Buy-In: $0+$0.00)
Seat 1: WilliamFloyd99 ($93,887.00 in chips)
Seat 2: wutsgood33 ($36,274.00 in chips)
Seat 3: bingydread1 ($31,995.00 in chips)
Seat 4: Nugget50 ($77,236.00 in chips)
Seat 5: TheScottHansonBand ($67,370.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: DKMURPHY ($28,639.00 in chips)
Seat 8: rounder631 ($119,785.00 in chips)
Seat 9: fish752 ($220,480.00 in chips)
WilliamFloyd99: Post Ante $300.00
wutsgood33: Post Ante $300.00
bingydread1: Post Ante $300.00
Nugget50: Post Ante $300.00
TheScottHansonBand: Post Ante $300.00
DKMURPHY: Post Ante $300.00
rounder631: Post Ante $300.00
fish752: Post Ante $300.00
DKMURPHY: Post SB $1,500.00
rounder631: Post BB $3,000.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WilliamFloyd99 [Jc Js]
fish752: Fold
WilliamFloyd99: Raise $6,000.00
wutsgood33: Fold
bingydread1: Fold
Nugget50: Fold
TheScottHansonBand: Fold
DKMURPHY: Fold
rounder631: Call $3,000.00
*** FLOP *** [5c Td 3s]
rounder631: Check
WilliamFloyd99: Bet $7,878.00
rounder631: Call $7,878.00
*** TURN *** [Ks]
rounder631: Check
WilliamFloyd99: Check
*** RIVER *** [Jh]
rounder631: Bet $3,000.00
WilliamFloyd99: Raise $14,950.00
rounder631: Allin $105,907.00
WilliamFloyd99:

I wouldn't fold.
Would expect AQ to 3b pre a lot of the time, and not sure how often a random is going to float Q high readless OOP.
Based on his river sizing he has no clue anyway so you'll probably see KT/sets more often than anything else

Call.

I think I bet the turn.

Like 99% of people check turn here but its horrible for so many reasons

River is ez fold comone

why?

yup def bet turn
just for protection
balancing
free sd
yada yada

and i call off otr as played

He doesnt always jam smaller sets if hes good and his name seems familiar

And its more likely he plays minbet to induce with nuts than with a smaller sets bcs people et more fancy with nuts than with like 4th nuts
And i hope u aggree that he doesnt try to bluff randoms of a very strong valuerange here and if he thinks were bluffing alot he would either call with bluffcatchers or gibe himself a better price to fold bluffs out

If u wanted to know why i bet turn its bcs he views us as random and people bluff scarecards all the time while having too small valueranges
Its much easier to call the turn light than the river bcs noone checks a scarecard and than beta river if he wants to bluff

....

I understand the turn bet.

Villain is not a reg despite his name looking similar to a known reg and probably has no clue what a bluffcatcher is. Knowing this does your river decision change at all?

No doesnt change my decision
Most people dont jam weak sets here

yeah lissi i understand ur point but villain minbets OTR and i think hes aware about the factor that we can raise the river lighter for value/sometimes we could be blufgfin here but thats irrelevant and he can 3bet shove lighter w/sets and 2pairs

the key here for me is the minbet,if villain bets smth like 12kish otr and shoves over heros raise then i would fold my JJ

ok u agree?

Ive never seen someone bluff or jam small sets or toptwo in spots like this
So i dont aggree

alter er loost seine valuerange auf indem er river minbet/induct,er kann das ez mit sets machen,weil er einfach davon ausgehn muss das wir gg seine perceived weske river minleadingrangr einfach ma KQ oder so for value raisen könnten,demnach wäre sein adjusting aufloosen seiner river 3bet shoverange

jo ich geb dir recht wenn er river grösser leadet und dann shovt,aber durch die minbet ist es nen r/tank/shrug call


ich bleib bei meiner meinung,ausserdem finde ich es net gut mit AQ den flop oop zu c/c und dann uu c/deciden am turn und pretty much guessinggame zu spielen
aber w/e

SORRY GUYS FOR NOT WRITE IN ENGLISH

Meh haven slept whole night and sitting in motherfking school righ now but dont aggree

after both check turn, the hand gets really ad hoc. with that inducer and your river raise its so weird that id definately ingame click on the call button. it would be a bit extraordinary for v to float the flop with aq.