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07-15-2017 , 11:36 AM
Just a daily MTT and 9 off the money.

S:106k
B:4k/8k
P:SB
H: 10s10d

Playing 8 handed utg+1 opens to 20k off of ~225k folds to cutoff who is a middle aged guy who 3 bets to 50k off of a ~260k. Action folds to me.

Thoughts on the 3 Bet player is that his range here is super nutted. JJ+and ak. I've seen him flat aq off to a player opening off of like 12 or 13 bbs so thats why I feel like his range is so nutted. The only thing is its 10's with 13 bbs in a relatively turboish daily. The only thing that I thought may help this situation is about 2 levels prior the utg +1 player raised 69 suited from early position and I thought that maybe the 3 bet player here may be trying to exploit that players loose PFR. Is this a shrug pile it in or is it the tightest fold ever???

PS if anyone wonders how it turned out he snapped and showed me 2 red aces. (not surprising)
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07-17-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Fleecy89
Thoughts on the 3 Bet player is that his range here is super nutted. JJ+and ak. I've seen him flat aq off to a player opening off of like 12 or 13 bbs so thats why I feel like his range is so nutted.

Well I guess you answered it yourself? I mean, sure, folding TT w 13BB sucks, but you should just be able to if necessary, esp w ICM-considerations
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07-18-2017 , 12:28 AM
Sorry the hand didn't work out.

Given your ability to analyze this, after-the-fact, I think the key question isn't: "Should this be a fold?" but instead ... "What are the barriers that stop me from finding a fold in the midst of live play?"

I've traveled that road, trying to figure out why I was busting out of a lot of live tournaments making borderline to bad calls of other people's shoves after having played pretty disciplined (and even creative!) poker for four or five hours. Here are a few thoughts to keep in mind:

As blinds go up, and you hit a stretch of card-deadness, it can be demoralizing to see your stack/BB ratio start shrinking faster than you expected. Yes, you'll need to play some hands -- and win -- to remain relevant.

But your strategy should be a lot broader than waiting for a top 10% hand and then betting your tournament life on it no matter what. There are a surprising number of chances still left to try stop-and-goes from the BB, or to shove from the CO, hijack or button, or to play poker with practically ATC and a cheap flop. Look for those moments.

Also, accept the fact that you'll need to release the occasional good hand because Villain most likely is ahead of you. In live play, you should be able to put opponents on tighter ranges than you can in online games. Train yourself to pick up the signals that inexperienced (or even experienced players) let off when they've got a monster.

This is a tangent, but I want to get it into the conversation anyway. Did anyone watch the WSOP Main Event footage of Vanessa Selbst busting out with AA vs. 77, when the board comes Ax7-7-x? It's amazing to see. Selbst nearly finds a fold when Gaelle Baumann shoves the river (with quads). But Selbst can't quite let go of the top full house.

The reason I bring it up is that Baumann on the turn covers her cards with this really weird finger tent. Arched wrists; eight fingers touching the cards; it's an airtight seal on the cards. You could sell that tent at REI. It's a very unnatural position.

I watched some footage of Baumann in other tournaments, and she usually covers her cards much more casually, with only one hand loosely draped over the cards, and the other shuffling chips. The only time I saw her make a finger tent was with AK hole cards and a board of Kxx. And that time, it was a much looser tent, with gaps between the fingers and wrists not arched as high.

There's a lot of that stuff going on in live tournaments. It's not always easy to read, and each player is his/her own story. But even pros like Baumann do odd things when they stumble into killer hands (i.e. quads.) if you can pick up some of that, it becomes a lot easier to make the right decision in a situation where knowing a broad range might not be enough.

tl;dr: Trust your reads. Be patient/calm enough that you can process unexpected news in the middle of a hand.
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