9 handed
50/100
effective stacks in play 22k

Very first hand, so no read on villain.

UTG raise 300
hero calls mp with 88
bb calls (spazzy player who raises tpwk alot, oop)

Flop (950) : 8K10
check, vill bets 450, hero calls, bb folds

Turn (1850): : A
vill bets, 650, hero raises 1850, vill raises 4600, hero calls

River (11.5k) : 5
vill bets 7.1k , hero folds


Preety sick spot, this is a live $120 mtt, preety soft but how can this ever be a bluff? and optimistic to think he plays AK like this.
obv we can raise flop, but flatted given BB tenancies
and id probs flat turn v good reg, but readless in a live mtt probs best to raise.

Any arguments for just folding turn? other thoughts welcome

I don't think it is optimistic to think he plays AK this way at all. As played I call river.

That being said, you cannot call his turn raise and fold to the river when a blank falls. If you think you are beat, fold to the 4600 on the turn.

This seems like a very over-played AK at best, as played I think maybe the villain has a strong K (KQ?) and was pissed that the Ace hit on the turn and was trying to push you off of a pair of Aces. This is certainly in the rebuy period so I shove river as I'm getting my wallet out and heading to the cage for my 2nd bullet.

I agree with everyone here. Terrible river fold. If you were going to fold anywhere, it's the turn.

My question would be why did you call the turn? To see the river? Plan??
I see way to many people calling with no thought out plan. Did you put him on AA, KK? If so, turn fold. If not...call and fistpump twice as you rake all his chips in for an overplayed A. (I find that pretty typical at these stakes)

Why cant we call turn and then fold river? calling the turn , then calling the river 100% of the time is very exploitable.
I felt villains range involves more QJ than AA/KK given his small cbet size (which people tend to do with draws)
so was probs calling rivers when it pairs up, plus he can have some hands like J9ss / A10 that might play like this and then just check river
What do you think is his range when he bets river that we beat?

The problem is that we do not know our opponent at all.
A lot of live players are nits but totally overplay their 2-pair+ hands.
In that case, villain's range is AK, AT, KT, AA, KK, QJ +5% spew.
Against this range, we have the odds for a crying call.

Against more situation-aware players, I think a fold on the river is fine. But it is true that it makes your turn call a mistake, unless you set a limit in your head of how big a river bet you would call when the brick comes river. Still tough to fold that turn though, I probably wouldn't have folded either...

Also, the flop bet is not that small, almost half the pot, pretty standard these days. The turn bet is very small though.
To me, the sizings look like villain wants to keep you in the pot with a monster, then bets bigger once he sees that he has a customer. One more aspect where a read would have helped.

So, let me sum up this rambling: first hand in the tournament, if the player looks fishy and/or very "livetard"(behaviour at the table), I call, if the player looks solid and seemed to think and understand the turn situation, I fold.

Folding river is a disaster. Our opponent's going to have a flopped or turned flushdraw here a fair amount of the time, plus an overvalued AK or even random Ax hand some percentage of the time. That's more than enough to continue in this spot in a $120 buy-in tournament.

I think we call the small turn bet, let the opponent bet river and only fold if an A or K hits and even then I can probably make a case to call it down. We're so early in this tournament that I'm not super-interested in playing for stacks even with a set.

Early in a live $120 donkament we aren't overly concerned with being exploitable.

In this instance, calling the turn with the intention of folding to a blank on the river makes zero sense unless we have special read that this player will check back the river unless incredibly strong. There is no way hero has that read here.