Blinds: 800/400/100
Hero: ~13500 chips (about 17BB)

Hero: K9o in SB

40/80 remain in Tournament

Hero's is mid 40s year old white male with British Accent (which has been mocked by all the Americans). Image was TAG, but may have moved to maniac, as I've pushed about 4 ot 5 times very quickly about 10mins ago, but have folded about 10 times in a row. This agressive patch got noticed - it was mostly in the 10-20BB open push or reshove type pushes (which are large for live - these guys think anything over a 9BB push is weird). I've not showed any though had the goods in all cases.

Villain in BB is 25ish year old hipster girl (think large black glasses bright red lipstick) who has been fairly aggressive and competent. She has often defended her blind, from late position raises. She has us covered but only just.

Blinds are up in 5 mins. Folds to us in SB - what do we do - fold, call, raise, or push?

In an online tournament I wouldn't mind shoving here at all. But if your image is bad and she's calling wide then limping and min betting every flop isn't bad either.

Why are they mocking you? Are you playing poker in a high school locker room ?

More friendly banter; a few of them were putting on English accents.

That's an interesting line I didn't consider.

I think a shove wit 17bbs would be -EV in the long run (but I shove 15bbs-). If you think she will call very wide, then yes, I prefer a limp/call as well.

Tell hipster girl you're folding to her because she's the prettiest one at the table and ask her to go get coffee/dinner on the next break. If she obliges, fold. If she doesn't, shove. Then try and give her the ol' fish & chips on break, regardless.

+1 tbh



but i actually really like that other dudes line of completing and leading any flop.

there's no chance shoving 17bb with K9 is -ev. This is a very standard shove.

i complete, then bet most flops if she checks, and jam if she raises my limp.

agree with complete, duno about the rejam tho, if we have a good image and feel she is quite active could be nice I guess

In live, I find that people are not used to 10 to 20bb open pushes and re jams, and people think you are nuts and on a steal. Do people here have different push ranges for live vs online for their image?

I think we're done.

FWIW: I pushed, she called after a stack count, and 15 secs, with A8s - I think that's a pretty standard call given my image (and hey I'm only a 40/60 dog), but probably a little bit more marginal if I had my usual nit image, so it got me thinking things, along with these comments

1) I need to be a bit more aware of my image
2) What's the max BB we push in these live events
3) Adding a complete/bet move to my arsenal - I didn't consider this - I did consider a 2.5BB raise, but thought she'd call that very wide, leaving me with a tough post flop OOP

Thank you for all the comments

I still think my suggestion would have worked best.

complete is nice

smiling and politely saying, 'i'd like to fold, but i really can't here' then raising a standard 2.5x, will at least raise some doubt

ordering two martinis with hendricks, virtually no vermouth, 2 olives and much ice, will leave no doubt at all.

+1

standard shove, standard call.

I've run some quick Chip-EV calculations where every villain has 10 or 20k stacks, you got your 13,5k and hipster girl got 15,5k.

Calculator tells us to openshove 60.6%,
60.6%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q6o+ J3s+ J8o+ T4s+ T7o+ 95s+ 97o+ 84s+ 87o 74s+ 76o 63s+ 53s+ 43s

while she calls 38.3%
38.3%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K5o+ Q7s+ Q8o+ J8s+ JTo T9s

Now it's highly unlikely that you two play GTO for Chip-EV with half the field eliminated but it's a start.

Her calling range is wide here (as is your shoving range) but not that unrealistic imho. Sure, some people fold Q8, T9s, K2s but some will call it. K9o is definitve a shove here if your standard shove with K5o isn't -cEV anymore (K9o = 1.44%+ which is like getting A2o,QJo,K8s,QTs,22 or like AQs UTG with a 10k stack - don't tell me you'd fold QJo or QTs here).

This all seems a bit result orientated (omg she had A8, why didnt I fold?) so lets get crazy and change the ranges a bit.

Since we can play K5+ for cEV when she calls of A2o, we can even shove wider if she folds A2-A6.
What if she calls wider? It is clear that K9o is +EV when she calls K5o+ so it is even more +EV when she calls K2o as well. If we change her calling range to 60%, K9o gets +2.18% cEV.
If she calls tighter (25.0%, 33+ A2s+ A3o+ K8s+ K9o+ QTs+) which is a super realistic range, we actually shall push 90.7%. Actually you'd push 100% because even 32o will be 0.25% +cEV here. What's interesting here, that if you push 90% and she calls 25%, your K9o only will be +1.11% cEV here. Still positive and not to fold imho. If you're waiting for monsters like 66 or AJ, those are +2.5% here.

So pushing K9o in the SB is as half as good as pushing AJ or 66 in the SB - and these are absolute monsters HU so it's very ok to push a "tiny monster"

As you can see here, besides the variance (but hey, do you wanna play oop vs a bigger stack?) there is absolutely no downside to this push. Folding here is angsty.

Forget all this flirting . Make the unexploitable jam already!

no...this will always be a fine shove...not sayin its optimal

At what effective stack level do you guys stop making a simple push/fold decision live? As I said before, people look at you strange at anything at 10BB or above, and 15BB and above, and you're just a crazy maniac.