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06-04-2017 , 01:40 AM
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Villian has been massive chipleader for the final 2 tables and has been opening a wide range, but has been playing relatively standard postflop.

However Villian recently stacked off with K3 on KhJ6h for 20+bb vs hero

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 8,000/16,000 NL - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 80.99 BB (VPIP: 57.30, PFR: 43.93, 3Bet Preflop: 12.77, Hands: 207)
Hero (BTN): 41.27 BB
SB: 23.05 BB (VPIP: 15.50, PFR: 14.45, 3Bet Preflop: 10.23, Hands: 275)

3 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.88 BB) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.88 BB, 2 players) 5 K 4
BB checks, Hero bets 2.44 BB, BB calls 2.44 BB

Turn: (9.75 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets 4.88 BB, BB raises to 76.42 BB and is all-in, Hero ????
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06-04-2017 , 01:56 AM
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06-04-2017 , 05:43 AM
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I think I'd be way more likely to get this in if he shoved the flop. As played his flat on the flop is very suscipious. I think with ICM and the fact you have still have plenty of big blinds if u fold then theres no real other option.
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06-04-2017 , 06:30 AM
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I think it's closer than either of you think but if we fold KQo are we folding AKo or AA here? if we are are we just calling 2pair+ and folding out flush draws and double barrel air.

Seems super exploitable if we fold here. Given we only need like ~36% equity to call CHIPEV wise. With ICM I can see it being a bit closer but what made hands play this way?
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06-04-2017 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by IlikeChicken
I think it's closer than either of you think but if we fold KQo are we folding AKo or AA here? if we are are we just calling 2pair+ and folding out flush draws and double barrel air.

Seems super exploitable if we fold here. Given we only need like ~36% equity to call CHIPEV wise. With ICM I can see it being a bit closer but what made hands play this way?
Ya really close. Think we can fold for $ev reasons, and because we are not that high up in our turn b/c range. Hands like 86-76hh, A6-7hh/cc prob do better vs what he is piling w here. Think we can b/f all of our 1-pr Kxo to a jam.
Would think vills range is straights/66/2pr and some multi-combos.
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06-04-2017 , 04:33 PM
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I checked poker stove and I think it really depends what we think villian is doing with KTo to KQo and backdoor club draws or naked flush draws.

If villian is willing to jam with those hands then it's a snap call otherwise if it's just combo draws and straights/66/2pair it's a close fold.
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06-05-2017 , 07:13 PM
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I like betting a tad larger otf and checking turn to call most rivers, stacking off here seems gross with the shorty and 6x is a good card for villainīs range flop float oop.
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06-05-2017 , 08:10 PM
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I don't like checking back KQo here too much since villian has a bunch of flush draws here and 1 pair hands that is calling a second barrel. I would rather check back hands that can't call a check/raise (weaker kings) KQo is too strong to not bet.
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06-05-2017 , 08:29 PM
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I don't like checking back KQo here too much since villian has a bunch of flush draws here and 1 pair hands that is calling a second barrel. I would rather check back hands that can't call a check/raise (weaker kings) KQo is too strong to not bet.
Then you answered your own question in the op IMO.
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06-05-2017 , 10:51 PM
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Then you answered your own question in the op IMO.
Yeah, I planned to call a check/raise on turn but I never expected an overshove I think it's close given his shove. I really like his shove in this spot because of the ICM pressure it puts.

I'm also a huge station so I wanted to hear some alternate viewpoints.
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06-06-2017 , 02:06 PM
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I think it's closer than either of you think but if we fold KQo are we folding AKo or AA here? if we are are we just calling 2pair+ and folding out flush draws and double barrel air.

Seems super exploitable if we fold here. Given we only need like ~36% equity to call CHIPEV wise. With ICM I can see it being a bit closer but what made hands play this way?
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Our calling range can't just be 2pair +
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06-07-2017 , 09:17 AM
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I like betting a tad larger otf and checking turn to call most rivers, stacking off here seems gross with the shorty and 6x is a good card for villainīs range flop float oop.
I like this play a lot
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06-11-2017 , 12:07 PM
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I like betting a tad larger otf and checking turn to call most rivers, stacking off here seems gross with the shorty and 6x is a good card for villainīs range flop float oop.
With flush draws, surely you'd want to bet turn, rather than give them a free card (assuming you think they're playing a drawing hand)?
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