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07-18-2016 , 04:33 AM
This hand took place in the Rio Deepstack(obv) 2PM

We were in the second level, blinds were 50/100 I believe

Effective Stacks about 15k

Villain: Mid 50s male. One of the tightest players at the table so far. Don't recall seeing him raise preflop up to this point. Saw him call a few raises pre and fold flop. Seems like your typical rec player

Hero: Late 20s. Baseball hat. Raised a few hands pre but haven't won any pots or made it to showdown at this point.

Villain: 2 is a middle aged female. Irrelevant in this hand

Villain: Raises on the BTN to 300
HeroKK) Calls in SB
Villain 2: Calls her BB

Flop Q 6 3r (900)

I check. BB bets 750. Btn Raises to 1500. I call. BB folds

Turn was a blank. Can't remember the exact card, but I know it did not put any straight or flush draws on the board and was small. Pot (4650)

I check. Villain bets 2500. Hero Raises to 5500. Villain Shoves (Pot 22kish).. Hero!?

Pre I decide to flat because there are no limpers, and I want to play a pot with villain as I think he's the type of opponent that will make a lot of mistakes postflop, esp with my hand being under repped.

I think sets are unlikely as I assume Villain 2 was leading out with middle pair type hands blocking set possibilities, and I would expect most recs to slow play and just call with a set on a dry board OTF. Don't think its likely for this type of Villain to raise 33 pre. I think they just like to see a cheap flop with these types of hands pre. 45 seems very unlikely. Villain strikes me as the kind of player that would overvalue top pair type hands. I decide range him on AQ, KQ, and QQ+

Is this a case of ASS U ME?

Am I wrong to narrow his range so much?

Is this a case of wishful thinking in that Villain will stack off with TPTK?

Tell me how terrible my thinking is in this spot. The good and the bad

Thanks!
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07-18-2016 , 05:15 AM
The biggest mistake you have made in this hand is to find a reason to not 3bet KK. I think if I were to look in my database I would have flatted KK to open about 0.1% of the time. I can't stress enough how much of a mistake this is.
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07-18-2016 , 11:29 AM
Well you get what you deserve. You put half of your stack in after your straightforward opponent showed strength 3 times and still think about calling it off with 1 pair?

I guess there is no better textbook definition of PUNT!
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07-18-2016 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SurfJunkie
Flop Q 6 3r (900)

I check. BB bets 750. Btn Raises to 1500. I call. BB folds

Turn was a blank. Can't remember the exact card, but I know it did not put any straight or flush draws on the board and was small. Pot (4650)
With a Q63 flop, there isn't a card in the deck that doesn't put a straight draw on the board, and the lowest card that doesn't actually complete a straight is an 8.

Nitpicking aside, I don't think that slow-playing a hand when you have a plan is necessarily a bad thing. But I don't think that the spot you picked here is the best, unless you are for some reason comfortable playing big pairs out of position. And if you were, this probably wouldn't be a thread.

I wouldn't slow-play here because you're missing out an important and very +EV dynamic of button opener vs. monster in the blinds. There is a lot of value to this situation, and just flatting eliminates it. There's almost always some kind of leveling war going on here.

You're also inviting the BB to come along with pretty much any two, and most of the time you'll end up playing the hand 3-ways from the worst position.

It feels like V flopped a set though, and he would have called your 3-bet and stacked you anyway. But that's being results-oriented.
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07-20-2016 , 04:00 AM
One thing I agree on: yes this player profile tends to overvalue tptk.
But: not 3-betting KK this deep in a BvB spot is indeed very debatable.
My main concern here is the turn raise though! After cold-calling villain's raise in a 3-way flop, believe me once you raise this turn your hand isn't underrepped at all! If anything it's overplayed. You're stating that the turn card wasn't scary at all. What's wrong with calling off? If you're afraid you're losing value, trying to win 150BB with an overpair in a non-3-bet pot is pretty ambitious! You should really have 3-bet pre in that case if you want to bloat the pot.
Once you raise this on the turn, can you really fold? I don't know, you probably should but raising this turn with this kind of value to fold to the shove is giving up a lot of equity so once you raise it up, close your eyes and hope villain has AQ.
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07-20-2016 , 05:26 PM
I should also add a very important piece of information I just remembered..

Our table was 11 HANDED at the time! Ridiculous I know. It was the 1st day of the Main, I believe Day 1C, and they had squeezed us all into the Miranda room by all the food vendors. We were to play 11 handed up until the first break. This was also a factor in my thinking, as this must lessen the odds of a set right!?
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07-20-2016 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
The biggest mistake you have made in this hand is to find a reason to not 3bet KK. I think if I were to look in my database I would have flatted KK to open about 0.1% of the time. I can't stress enough how much of a mistake this is.
This is an awful spot to flat KK. This is to a BTN raise where your 3-bet is not going to be given much respect. It is OK sometimes to flat KK in early position, when a 3-bet would look strong, and the flat might induce a squeeze and maybe a 4-bet from the original raiser.
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