PokerStars Hand #81427763334: Tournament #575010397, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2012/06/03 18:06:30 CET [2012/06/03 12:06:30 ET]
Table '575010397 322' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: orzechinho19 (3160 in chips)
Seat 2: D´OLIVEIRA (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: gruzovik666 (2545 in chips)
Seat 4: OneGearGo! (3145 in chips)
Seat 5: supermarios2 (2880 in chips)
Seat 6: Synopsis86 (2860 in chips)
Seat 7: Kragg111 (3540 in chips)
Seat 8: steefke (2660 in chips)
Seat 9: Granny063 (3490 in chips)
OneGearGo!: posts small blind 10
supermarios2: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to steefke [Kh Ks]
Synopsis86: folds
Kragg111: folds
steefke: raises 40 to 60
Granny063: folds
orzechinho19: folds
D´OLIVEIRA: folds
gruzovik666: folds
OneGearGo!: folds
supermarios2: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [2d 4s 3d]
supermarios2: checks
steefke: bets 120
supermarios2: raises 160 to 280
steefke: calls 160
*** TURN *** [2d 4s 3d] [4d]
supermarios2: checks
steefke: checks
*** RIVER *** [2d 4s 3d 4d] [7h]
supermarios2: bets 660
steefke: folds
Uncalled bet (660) returned to supermarios2
supermarios2 collected 690 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 690 | Rake 0
Board [2d 4s 3d 4d 7h]
Seat 1: orzechinho19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: D´OLIVEIRA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: gruzovik666 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: OneGearGo! (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: supermarios2 (big blind) collected (690)
Seat 6: Synopsis86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Kragg111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: steefke folded on the River
Seat 9: Granny063 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



thoughts? just get it in on the flop against fd's? I don't want to flip just yet and I didn't like the river very much. is this a snapcall? Did i play this lolbad?

WP

b/f turn

I know that can't be right

why not? Think about your perceived range as well.

I'd be betting turn also?..with K of diamonds I may check back but with our hand I bet fold turn.

I think you get bluffed too much here OTT if you b/f. granted, I haven't analysed it properly so you guys are prob right. As played. would you call river?

but you have diamonds in your range too, dont think you ever get bluffed after calling a c/r on the flop.

It goes back to the old argument about a play being exploitable if no one in the player ever really exploits in that spot.

ok, what is a 'weak' player repping with a min raise on that flop? FD's, some midpairs maybe, openender. I think he almost never checks back a midpair on that turn...but he would c/r it as a 'bluff' a lot of the time. If he made his flush he checks it back 90% of the time. I don't see profit in b/f. the turn.

Isn't getting it in on the flop a much better option then?

w/e..i need to do my homework more in any case.

ther terminology you're using is a bit confusing - about him checking back, we're in position so he can't check back.

It would be a bad spot for him to bluff because our range when we bet turn is quite strong given how many flushes we can have. I'd interpret his check as weakness and bet for value with KK, if he does c/r I will simply fold.

my bad. still wonder if you do the whole ev calc. on it what would be best, but again your prob. right. thnx

vbet turn ~35/40% pot
river is close since you should really bet stuff that can call river OTT. but if he is a donk just fold vs that sizing since its rarely a bluff.

I'd 4bet the flop on a board like that and call his shove. Otherwise good fold on the river.

wtf is that sizing otf?! i cant see the value in b/f ott here either.

bet less flop, call raise, check back turn. call up to 2/3 of river donk or b/f river if checked 2 u.