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KK in 4bet OOP vs 2 opponents KK in 4bet OOP vs 2 opponents

03-21-2015 , 07:13 AM
Hi guys. This a deepstack Sunday MTT, obv played on ps.es
Limper is a fish, ISO´er/MP2 is a fish(reg) 24/11/3,3% and cold 3bettor is a tough LAG reg 27/23/15%
I have a crazy lag image against these 2, also 3bet *10 minutes before these hand ocurred* with KJ vs unknown and triple barreled bluffed on 58372 and guy snap called me with JJ

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $90.65 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35577061

UTG+1: 19,838 (248 bb)
UTG+2: 18,500 (231.3 bb)
MP1: 26,610 (332.6 bb)
MP2: 17,692 (221.2 bb)
MP3: 20,494 (256.2 bb)
CO: 19,255 (240.7 bb)
BTN: 24,963 (312 bb)
SB: 19,740 (246.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 14,449 (180.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
UTG+1 calls 80, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 320, MP3 folds, CO raises to 880, 2 folds, Hero raises to 2,480, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls 2,160, CO calls 1,600

Flop: (7,560) Q 4 5 (3 players)

So, how do we proceed ?
Bet and don´t fold, x/c ?
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03-21-2015 , 10:32 AM
Do you think you can get 3streets of value?
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03-21-2015 , 12:35 PM
ship the flop.
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03-21-2015 , 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregz41
Do you think you can get 3streets of value?
If you´re trolling me, it´s not funny
So as osmozis said, shove flop to look like AhKh (wich we don´t block) or x/c? what about x/shove ?
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03-21-2015 , 04:15 PM
Cbet gii on the flop. If called, reevaluate on the turn. Could check/gii or barrel gii on the turn. If the turn is an ace, queen, or heart, then you may have to decide whether to gii.
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03-24-2015 , 12:34 AM
I'd consider it unlikely for CO to 3b the ISO with 44/55. Likewise with MP to flat your cold 4b. It unlikely that MP has AA, and CO should never has AA.

QQ looks like the only real hand to worry about. But there are plenty of other hands in villains ranges like 99-JJ, AQ, AK which we can get value from. Most of those hands will stick around against a cbet thinking you're just cbetting with AK. Even more so if you have a maniacal image. So this looks like a good value cbet spot to me, and I doubt I'm folding to a shove. Something around 2.6k - 3.2k.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gregz41
Do you think you can get 3streets of value?
We'd have to size our bets pretty tiny to go for 3 streets. 2 streets should be enough to reasonably gii considering SPR.
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03-24-2015 , 04:41 AM
Bet flop, x turn to induce floats to bet. You'll have under a pot sized bet OTR if he checked back AQ OTF or is stubborn with 99-JJ, which is possible given dynamics described.
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03-24-2015 , 07:53 PM
Yeah just bet 3k and jam turn.
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