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02-08-2016 , 01:30 PM

Voodoo974

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 565

Hi, villain is pretty weak, he called my 3b from utg vs mp with QTs a few hands ago, running 40/19 on 20ish sample.

Does the A otr remove enough Ax in his range to make an another bet ?

PokerStars - €18+€2|350/700 Ante 85 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 5,804
SB: 68,563
BB: 31,084
UTG: 16,170
UTG+1: 44,349
MP: 10,000
MP+1: 51,884
Hero (CO): 53,706

8 players post ante of 85, SB posts SB 350, BB posts BB 700

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,730) Hero has J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 1,400, BTN calls 1,400, SB calls 1,050, BB calls 700

Flop: (6,280, 4 players) A

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 2,260, fold, fold, BB calls 2,260

Turn: (10,800, 2 players) 5

BB checks, Hero bets 3,888, BB calls 3,888

River: (18,576, 2 players) A

BB checks, Hero ?

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02-08-2016 , 03:59 PM

Foxyy

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 632

Bet ~6k. Its close though. Think even bad villains can fold 8X here. Also think a c/c could potentially be better - sizing dependent. A number of gutshot combos that whiff that we can get to bluff the river.

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02-08-2016 , 11:00 PM

sunnydunerz

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check turn for sure

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02-08-2016 , 11:25 PM

JayGray777

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20

I feel like villain is going to show up with ax more often than hands you beat like 10x, 8x. I'd prolly just check here. Also if he misses any draws, he's not calling.

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02-09-2016 , 06:31 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Greedy line but its not bad to induce calls by a wider range by betting <40%. I would check the flop 3way in position.
As played betting river makes no sense. It would be fine in a hu pot with an aggro image but you don't need a merged range otf in this spot.
He will have a better hand than yours if he c/c 3x and some might c/jam busted draws and you lose your showdown value.

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02-09-2016 , 12:11 PM

gregz41

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What, no? What hands are you having in your check back range that can call a turn bet?

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02-09-2016 , 02:03 PM

Voodoo974

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 565

We're playing against BB who closes the action and who has a very wide range preflop, I don't think betting flop and turn is that agressive, I mean he must be calling every gutshot and Tx, 8x flop (he's fishy), and that makes more combos than Axs imo.

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02-09-2016 , 11:05 PM

gregz41

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Originally Posted by Voodoo974

Flop is three ways. I see so many threads where hero goes for way too thin value, and then asks what should I do on this street? I feel lost. My answer is always to check the previous street.

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02-10-2016 , 03:02 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

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Originally Posted by gregz41

What, no? What hands are you having in your check back range that can call a turn bet?

If btn bets i call. If bb bets turn i fold. If he checks i bet. I like to play this flop spot more smallball in wa/wb spots.

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02-10-2016 , 09:08 PM

#10

betgo

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I would check back the river. Villain probably has an ace, and will often fold if he is behind. He is likely to just call down with an ace to bluff catch and for pot control.

You could barrel this board with air, and you can have AA, AQ, AJ, and JJ, which he is unlikely to have.

Last edited by betgo; 02-10-2016 at 09:26 PM.

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02-10-2016 , 10:00 PM

#11

AmpeFund

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,195

Prob check flop, think turn is good. As played def check riv, he has a lot of Aces here imo

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02-11-2016 , 11:24 AM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,963

riv is the only street as played that should have been bet, check flop ffs

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02-11-2016 , 03:14 PM

#13

betgo

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

riv is the only street as played that should have been bet, check flop ffs

Why check the flop? Might as well take it down when you are ahead. Worth a 35% pot bet.

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02-13-2016 , 12:09 AM

#14

busto_soon

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,724

We're 4way and btn is super short so check the flop.

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