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03-27-2015 , 09:58 PM

IlikeChicken

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 400/800 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 33,283.00
SB: 23,104.00
BB: 19,440.00
UTG: 35,320.00
UTG+1: 16,445.00
MP: 50,715.00
MP+1: 7,538.00
Hero (LP): 23,155.00
CO: 9,684.00

SB posts ante 75.00, BB posts ante 75.00, UTG posts ante 75.00, UTG+1 posts ante 75.00, MP posts ante 75.00, MP+1 posts ante 75.00, Hero posts ante 75.00, CO posts ante 75.00, BTN posts ante 75.00, SB posts SB 400.00, BB posts BB 800.00

Pre Flop: (1875.00) Hero has J

UTG raises to 2,400.00, fold, MP calls 2,400.00, fold, Hero calls 2,400.00, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9075.00, 3 players) 4

UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 4,538.00, UTG raises to 13,614.00, fold, [color=red]Hero ???

Villian is 25/18 over 37 hand

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03-28-2015 , 04:33 AM

AALegend

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There's already t=6,675 in the middle and you only have 23k. Easy shove pre.

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03-28-2015 , 04:38 AM

jayg320

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Y did u just call preflop?

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03-28-2015 , 11:13 AM

goodmary

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3bet and call shove PF. Now that you only called V could have anything.

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03-28-2015 , 05:16 PM

Antricko123

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Don't like flat pre 3bet/call

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03-29-2015 , 09:49 AM

nonsimplesimon

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^^^^ what they said.

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03-29-2015 , 04:55 PM

IlikeChicken

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okay as played what should my line be on the flop

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03-30-2015 , 06:05 AM

TalonJohn

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Now you can shove, and you probably got lucky. He's raising many semi-bluffs/combo draws.

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03-30-2015 , 09:33 AM

tmbruno

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I think too, that's a perfect spot to a pre 3bet, but if you choose this line, shove is still plus EV.

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04-01-2015 , 01:42 AM

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AALegend

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goodmary

3bet and call shove PF.

I strongly believe that shove is better than 3bet pre here. If we shove and our shove gets through, we add 29% to our stack, which is very significant.

And given 3BB open and a call in between, stack sizes are too weird for a smaller 3-bet, as a 3-bet to say 6,200 is likely to get called in both places, while a bigger 3-bet (if we 3-bet say 7,600 it is one third of our stack) looks very pot committing and makes it less likely to get called with worse as compared to a shove given our stack size.

So, shove pre is an absolute must here and it is not even close.

P.S. I am fine with a flat pre or a small 3-bet if UTG opens and MP does not call.

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04-03-2015 , 10:08 AM

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gregz41

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Yeah +1 to 3bet shove.

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