This is a VERY Important point, lost on many new players.
Originally Posted by abefroman84
We bet for value or as a bluff. We don't put out "feeler bets" to find out where we are at. Just fold pre. This makes my eyes bleed.
Originally Posted by lmnop
First of all... $500 entry w 20 mins blinds is poor value unless (a) weak field and/or (b) you a winning turbo player.
i read it as a $100 BI w/15 min Blinds. (did I miss something?)
...tight player raises utg and another tight player re raises, has small stack (therefore implied odds terrible) and is clearly pot committed = SNAP FOLD or sigh then fold.
I would definitely Sigh (maybe twice) before I folded.
You gotta go with your reads...
Nod re other comments flatting is atrocious... if utg (Mr. "he usually has it") has TT+/AK he prob iso'ing/forcing you out of the pot pre flop and you have donated 1/6th yr stack.
re raising pre is insane/hideous...
30 BB's better spots... even though its a turbo... if they that tight steal steal steal, 3 bet pre cautiously depending on your image, their image and position(s) and outplay post flop... any resistance (and you believe them) give it up.
Sometimes a larger medium pair can look seductive (99,TT, JJ)
but there are too many problems and not enough implied odds to make playing TT here worth while.
players like the woman you describe, will not play AK or anything that is beaten by TT this way... (probably not anything less than KK or AA)
we all know the odds of hitting a set are about 7.5 to 1, and sometimes you still wont win... so set mining with less than 10:1 is just throwing chips away. (I read where Jon Turner wants at least 15:1).
and, if we call, we still have the UTG to worry about...
I agree that in the real world, at the table, it's not as easy for some of us to fold TT here as some of the replies make it sound but after a moments thought and the obligatory "sigh", it is a clear pre-flop fold.