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Old 08-05-2012, 10:20 PM   #1
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I think I played this how you are suppose to, but not really sure. Now the problem with that statement is that I kind of put this lady on KK/AA. Just that rare type of older person, and a women where you know.

Blinds 300 / 600 75ante (100$ casino 15min blinds)

UTG raise 1600 (somewhat active but has had it... 29k behind)
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold
Lady raise to 3000 (6k left behind)
Fold
I have 10/10 as SB ( 18k behind... I contemplated shove but just knew she had it couldnt find myself to fold so i called)
BB fold... UTG initial raiser calls

Flop 9 9 6

I bet out 1800 to see what she did
UTG fold
Lady all in shows AA


Did I play this right ? What is the correct play here, because most of the time your read is not 100% like that.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:40 AM   #2
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

I feel like you made the correct play on every street, the feeler bet did its job....not many old woman have a 3 bet weak bullet in their chambers. Some may even make a valid case for you folding Pre with O-R behind, but I'm guessing most people myself included call.
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:42 AM   #3
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

Snapfold. Tight old lady 3-bets 1/3 of her stack against utg open. Ur crushed.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:39 AM   #4
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

fold>4b/call>flat
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:38 AM   #5
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

Don't call pf. What was your plan if UTG 4 bet? Widest range possible for V2 is AKs & QQ+. Fold pf.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:50 AM   #6
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

I'm not so sure investing 15% of his stack is a bad idea Pre if he read UTG as a maniac..ofcourse he doesn't have the odds to make the callby the numbers but the implied odds of flopping a set in a big 3 way pot are pretty good.

I don't have a problem with a fold here but with 15 min blinds you need to gamble a little bit if you want to run deep.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:10 AM   #7
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

Fold pre-flop. I don't think its that close. There are two problems with calling.

If UTG 4-bets, you will have to fold. And he did raise UTG and you did say he usually has it.

And the lady is putting in 1/3 of her chips pre-flop. So she is absolutely pot committed regardless of the flop. I seriously doubt she can have AK because I think pre-flop she calls in position or shoves although this is somewhat mitigated by the fact that she is awful.

Anyway, set mining against lady with 6,000 behind is never going to be worth it. And I doubt UTG is paying off to the extent necessary if he hits top pair and you hit your set on say an ATx flop while the lady folds her KK... Not to mention that the lady can have AA and UTG JJ on that same flop...

edit: Similarly putting in another 1,800 on this flop is almost never going to accomplish anything. The lady is almost always shoving if you check and rarely has AK. If she does have AK by some miracle then she possibly checks behind anyway (which equally gives you the same info just cheaper). But I still wouldn't bet the turn because it is so much more likely that she is continuing her slowplay of AA/KK. I actually am somewhat surprised that she doesn't just call your 1,800 bet (because thats how people slowplaying AA pre-flop put at least some doubt in my mind). So given your search for info on the flop you assume that the lady would not shove AK or call with AA. Either way you could be enticed to do the wrong thing based on faulty "info"...

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Old 08-06-2012, 11:34 AM   #8
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

Easiest fold pre ever
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:42 PM   #9
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

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I'm not so sure investing 15% of his stack is a bad idea Pre if he read UTG as a maniac..ofcourse he doesn't have the odds to make the callby the numbers but the implied odds of flopping a set in a big 3 way pot are pretty good.

I don't have a problem with a fold here but with 15 min blinds you need to gamble a little bit if you want to run deep.
this is by far the worse thing to do.
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Old 08-06-2012, 01:25 PM   #10
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

We bet for value or as a bluff. We don't put out "feeler bets" to find out where we are at. Just fold pre. This makes my eyes bleed.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:51 AM   #11
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

First of all... $500 entry w 20 mins blinds is poor value unless (a) weak field and/or (b) you a winning turbo player.

...tight player raises utg and another tight player re raises, has small stack (therefore implied odds terrible) and is clearly pot committed = SNAP FOLD or sigh then fold.

You gotta go with your reads...

Nod re other comments flatting is atrocious... if utg (Mr. "he usually has it") has TT+/AK he prob iso'ing/forcing you out of the pot pre flop and you have donated 1/6th yr stack.

re raising pre is insane/hideous...

30 BB's better spots... even though its a turbo... if they that tight steal steal steal, 3 bet pre cautiously depending on your image, their image and position(s) and outplay post flop... any resistance (and you believe them) give it up.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:44 AM   #12
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

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We bet for value or as a bluff. We don't put out "feeler bets" to find out where we are at. Just fold pre. This makes my eyes bleed.
This is a VERY Important point, lost on many new players.

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First of all... $500 entry w 20 mins blinds is poor value unless (a) weak field and/or (b) you a winning turbo player.

i read it as a $100 BI w/15 min Blinds. (did I miss something?)

...tight player raises utg and another tight player re raises, has small stack (therefore implied odds terrible) and is clearly pot committed = SNAP FOLD or sigh then fold.

I would definitely Sigh (maybe twice) before I folded.

You gotta go with your reads...

Nod re other comments flatting is atrocious... if utg (Mr. "he usually has it") has TT+/AK he prob iso'ing/forcing you out of the pot pre flop and you have donated 1/6th yr stack.

re raising pre is insane/hideous...

agreed

30 BB's better spots... even though its a turbo... if they that tight steal steal steal, 3 bet pre cautiously depending on your image, their image and position(s) and outplay post flop... any resistance (and you believe them) give it up.
Sometimes a larger medium pair can look seductive (99,TT, JJ)
but there are too many problems and not enough implied odds to make playing TT here worth while.

players like the woman you describe, will not play AK or anything that is beaten by TT this way... (probably not anything less than KK or AA)

we all know the odds of hitting a set are about 7.5 to 1, and sometimes you still wont win... so set mining with less than 10:1 is just throwing chips away. (I read where Jon Turner wants at least 15:1).
and, if we call, we still have the UTG to worry about...
I agree that in the real world, at the table, it's not as easy for some of us to fold TT here as some of the replies make it sound but after a moments thought and the obligatory "sigh", it is a clear pre-flop fold.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:31 PM   #13
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

every street sucks fold pre
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:03 PM   #14
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

i misread... its a $100 buy in with 15min levels... still awful 15mins...
u showing a profit on turbos?
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Old 08-13-2012, 05:34 PM   #15
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Re: How do you play 10/10 here?

Have to fold pre. You know she has KK+. so you're getting better odds to shove ATC next hand.
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