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07-21-2016 , 10:34 PM

NoLetMeUnreg

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 167

villain 76/17 (29)

showing up with all kinds of hands

Poker Stars, $15 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37395551

MP1: 1,399 (7 bb)
Hero (MP2): 9,809 (49 bb)
MP3: 8,285 (41.4 bb)
CO: 3,536 (17.7 bb)
BTN: 6,756 (33.8 bb)
SB: 9,603 (48 bb)
BB: 12,230 (61.2 bb)
UTG+1: 3,973 (19.9 bb)
UTG+2: 4,485 (22.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J

UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 200, MP1 folds, Hero raises to 600, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls 400

Flop: (1,725) A

(2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets 690, UTG+2 raises to 3,860 and is all-in

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cbet is small but i can't see this being a great board for villains overall range so don't need to bet big to get many folds but maybe this induced the shove?

should we just check it instead?

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07-22-2016 , 01:04 AM

Philmarr

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 14

Don't think we're getting called by any worse on this flop, also don't think we're folding out any queens at all, especially KQ. Prefer checking back personally and hoping to see a showdown or catching a bluff on the river and so we don't get put in this spot.

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07-22-2016 , 12:51 PM

gregz41

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,609

Why would you bet such a flop, OP?

If you can't get 3 streets of value, then don't bet pairs is a great rule generally.

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07-25-2016 , 04:22 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

I like the isosize preflop. Would go ~700 vs a bigger stack.
I don't understand the flop bet with this SPR. He is committed with alot of his combos and you block the combos you could barrel him off.
Take the free card

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07-25-2016 , 11:20 AM

Puzo

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,657

Check flop

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07-25-2016 , 01:45 PM

Hungry4Hands

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 53

700-800 pre, check the flop. As played, Ez fold. Cbet something that's absolute trash (i.e. 68s) and something that you're trying to get value with and will bet/call, but not the hands in between that still have a lot of equity.

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07-29-2016 , 07:39 PM

Labax

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,164

Yeah JJ seems like one of the hands we should be checking on this board.

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08-01-2016 , 12:42 AM

jpgiro

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,439

When deciding to c-bet you always have to figure out what part of the villain's likely range is going to continue on that board and how you match up against that range. With third pair and a gutshot, which is what you have, you are absolutely smashed to even random limpy hands like QTo or Ax. In these cases use the power of position to take a free card and see what develops on the turn.

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08-01-2016 , 02:46 AM

brap633

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 145

Btw, how often do you think the villain bets his bluff range in a blank turn and how do you react?

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08-01-2016 , 05:21 PM

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dsuds

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 587

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Originally Posted by brap633

Btw, how often do you think the villain bets his bluff range in a blank turn and how do you react?

Probably not often, he just limp called pre so he's clearly not good. I'd just fold to anything half pot or bigger if the turn is anything but a K, J or it paired the board.

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