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09-29-2015 , 03:44 AM
I actually would like analysis on two different hands that occurred in this tournament.

So I just got back from playing in a nightly tournament at Casino Arizona. Blinds are 100/200 I'm in the bb with 910 and 14k (start with 10) folds around to sb who just calls and barely has me covered. (sb has been agro and playing a lot of hands)

I check, and we see a flop of 789 rainbow. he bets out 1200 and I call.

Turn: 2 putting a flush draw out there. Sb bets out 2500.

Whats our play here? Call? Fold? Raise?

How bad did I f*ck up this next hand?

The second hand happened when we were down to the final 6 players. Blinds are 2k/4k, folds around to button who calls and has like 90k. I'm in the sb with 46 and only have 15k left. (Top 5 get paid) I fold and bb checks.

Flop is 2 3 5 bb checks, button bets 4k and bb folds. You guys can give me all the sh*t you want, I messed up.

( I asked button after hand if he would have called my all-in on the flop and he said yeah, said he had A5)
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09-30-2015 , 12:03 AM
See a river in hand 1.

Hand 2, yeah you should have completed.
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09-30-2015 , 12:21 AM
hand 2 is an easy fold

don't understand action in hand 1, the pot is 400 otf and Villain bet 1.2k??
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09-30-2015 , 02:21 AM
Hand 1: I like a raise on the flop, but call is fine. As played call turn

Hand 2: Easy fold. Complete with 4BB is horrible. Don't be results oriented.
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09-30-2015 , 02:36 AM
hand #1: don't see much FE if he has better than T9 and seems thin to raise for value, so call it down and decide otr.
hand #2: calling pre doesn't change your stack utility much at all so complete (no FE on jam) and happy dance otf. completing is not horrible at all. must take these rare spots with a micro stack. fight to the last chip.
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09-30-2015 , 11:57 PM
Waldo, yes on hand 1 villian bet out 1.2k into a 400 pot.

Two of you, are saying hand #2 is an easy fold and the other two are saying to complete. I'll wait for more responses.

But regarding hand #1, Villian told me after the hand that he had A 10 and that If I would have shoved over him on turn he would have called. His thinking was that he had "15 outs"

I put this hand into card players "poker odds calculator" and by the turn, I am a 59% to 27% favorite. Especially since I am blocking some of his outs to a straight. So If you discard those outs as well as maybe 1 A that someone might have folded as well as lets say 1 club that someone folded. I am now a 72% to 27% favorite, giving him only "10 outs". Not to mention, he is only a 4.2% favorite to runner runner a flush. Making me an even bigger favorite.

Do you guys agree or disagree with my analysis over hand 1?
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10-01-2015 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ThatTightGuy
the other two are saying to complete. I'll wait for more responses.
let's hope they agree with me bc it's not close imo (dragons did you realize we only had 3bbs here?)

yes peel turn in hand 1 for sure
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10-01-2015 , 02:05 AM
^ for once i don't agree. i'll peel #2 every time. so few spots that arise with 3BB that have any leverage. pay 0.5BB to have a chance to get up to 10BB and some FE? yessir.
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10-01-2015 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
let's hope they agree with me bc it's not close imo (dragons did you realize we only had 3bbs here?)

yes peel turn in hand 1 for sure
Half a BB with a suited gapper when getting a minimum of 5-1 odds (odds will be better if there's antes).

I also don't think this spot is close.
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10-01-2015 , 08:42 AM
hand 1: I would lean to call flop and raise the turn because it gives that flush draw and other two pair hands and any 5 to complete the lower end or if the sb actually has a big pair you could get him off with your line in the hand looking really strong and you also having position in this spot which is key, but if you brick the river I would bomb it for sure because if you taking over the betting lead.

hand 2: is a clear fold there in that situation because of ICM, so I wouldn't beat yourself up about it though.

Last edited by TheWawaMaster; 10-01-2015 at 08:48 AM.
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10-01-2015 , 08:58 AM
Hand 1 has been answered

Hand 2 has two options... fold if min cash is huge for you; complete if you still want to compete to top prize. Reasons for fold and completing are explained above
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10-02-2015 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg
Half a BB with a suited gapper when getting a minimum of 5-1 odds (odds will be better if there's antes).

I also don't think this spot is close.
fair enough, I just think there's a difference between 2.5bb and 3bb in terms of FE when shoving live, as silly as that might sound
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10-03-2015 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
fair enough, I just think there's a difference between 2.5bb and 3bb in terms of FE when shoving live, as silly as that might sound
I don't think there is enough of a difference for it to matter, the only consideration would be BB tendencies and if you think he will shove or raise the limp frequently imo.
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10-05-2015 , 03:04 PM
+1 to this:

Hand 2 has two options... fold if min cash is huge for you; complete if you still want to compete to top prize.

I think the a key consideration on this decision is as described above because both options seem to present good arguments.
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10-05-2015 , 07:57 PM
No one raises hand 1 pre??? I almost always raise this deep unless villain is really good.
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10-06-2015 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by zanardi1
No one raises hand 1 pre??? I almost always raise this deep unless villain is really good.
I'm with ya, I'd only check the weakest of hands here. Just start building a pot- we can take it down on the flop with a cbet a ton and can start adjusting once we get to know villain's tendencies. I'd fold turn, no reason for villain to be betting Tx so large and both of our ranges are missing a cap on this board. Would need a real reason to believe villain was a mega gloid to not range him as ~nutted. Obv I am wrong in this circumstance as results will show but just don't really like our decision on too many rivers when even a J is mutually beneficial to the range we're deciding to call turn against.

2 is w/e.

Last edited by tboneparte; 10-06-2015 at 03:16 AM.
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10-07-2015 , 08:01 PM
In hand 2 we have 1,5 starting stack so if someone is likely to bust before our next big blind fold is way better.

In small live tournaments though it can be very unlikely unless someone has even less chips.
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