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07-03-2015 , 03:14 PM
We are in the money (18 people cashed). 15 people left. I have 105k. Total chips in play are 830k. Only person who has me covered at the table is villian with 140k. Villian is a foreign woman who credibly reports that she has never been in a casino before. I had knocked her out earlier and she had re-entered during the re-entry period. She at least has knowledge regarding what beats what and general poker strategy, but not much else.

Blinds are 1500/3000. She open shoves UTG, no callers, and I am in the BB with KK. I think the results are irrelevant, but will provide them after discussion.

Cash for 15th is $260ish, first place is $4600. Is 30 BB too much to get it here? Is there really a way to find a fold? I am almost 90% she does not have AA here, but is it worth the risk?
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07-03-2015 , 03:25 PM
Looks like BBV. If you are 90% sure she has AA then fold.

Who open shoves for 30BB with AA?
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07-03-2015 , 03:29 PM
90% sure she does NOT have AA. Like you said who shoves 30 BB UTG? Maybe some one this inexperienced but she had done it just 3 hands earlier and shown down tens.
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07-03-2015 , 03:35 PM
It's OK to fold KK here, especially with your stack. It's a myth that KK must be played.
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07-03-2015 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
It's OK to fold KK here, especially with your stack. It's a myth that KK must be played.

Thanks. This is essentially my question. Should I be avoiding her at all costs at this point in the tournament with my chip stack? Should I have folded without even looking? Should I fold AA in this spot? She ended up with 44 and flopped a set which is what got me thinking about whether I'm even supposed to playing with her at all at this point in the tourney. It's not really about what she or I had.
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07-03-2015 , 04:21 PM
30bb is not that much for a live MTT, you probably have less than 10 more hands until you and the entire field are under 20bb and it becomes a shovefest. I don't see how we are ever passing up this chance. I could maybe see the rationale if we each have 100+bb and everyone else had less than 30bb, but if the entire field is under 40bb then having a 30bb "big" stack carries much less leverage and therefore I think we should be more willing to "gamble" with KK
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07-03-2015 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TARAINSC
90% sure she does NOT have AA. Like you said who shoves 30 BB UTG? Maybe some one this inexperienced but she had done it just 3 hands earlier and shown down tens.
Oh...sorry, misread. Another reason not to fold.
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07-03-2015 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
It's OK to fold KK here, especially with your stack. It's a myth that KK must be played.
i think OP actually believed you... snap call here.
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07-03-2015 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by wrsport1015
i think OP actually believed you... snap call here.
This isn't the forum for trolling or leveling afaik. He can easily move up many places by waiting and not taking on the chipleader, so folding KK here is fine.
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07-03-2015 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by goodmary
Oh...sorry, misread. Another reason not to fold.
+1
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07-03-2015 , 05:55 PM
Easy call if you are playing to win the tournament. You win this hand and have a big chip lead. You may be against a pair or a big Ace...both of which you crush preflop.

If the opponent was a nit it may be different.
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07-03-2015 , 06:47 PM
Call. Not much more to be discussed.
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07-03-2015 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
This isn't the forum for trolling or leveling afaik. He can easily move up many places by waiting and not taking on the chipleader, so folding KK here is fine.
lol Do not follow this advice, and do not take poker advice from this poster.

If your intentions were to win this tournament when you bought in, then 100% do NOT fold KK here w/ 30 blinds and what amounts to a guaranteed top 3 finish. This is not a close decision. If your intentions didn't involve winning the tourney when you registered then IDK what to tell you.

Last edited by DudeImBetter; 07-04-2015 at 12:15 AM.
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07-04-2015 , 12:09 AM
I thought its a bubble and this case it could have been understandable why this thread was created. Since you`re ITM its a snapcall.
JJ+/AK at very least.
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07-05-2015 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
lol Do not follow this advice, and do not take poker advice from this poster.

If your intentions were to win this tournament when you bought in, then 100% do NOT fold KK here w/ 30 blinds and what amounts to a guaranteed top 3 finish. This is not a close decision. If your intentions didn't involve winning the tourney when you registered then IDK what to tell you.
Did you notice OP is 2nd of 15 in chips? Do you agree that OP will be all-in versus the chipleader?

To clarify, going all-in with KK is fine here. Folding KK is fine here. OP is not guaranteed anything here.
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07-05-2015 , 09:58 PM
Folding KK is not fine here.
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07-06-2015 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg
Folding KK is not fine here.
Lol so very much this.

Two Moos, just so much no. No to the 10th degree. This is a snap call, though I'll give you that it's not a fist pump. But definitely a snapper.

I mean on top of this being a snap call without even having to take into account dynamics, noob lady open shoved a 40 blind stack from EP, which so very easily can be lower pairs or AK which she doesn't know how to play properly.
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07-06-2015 , 09:14 AM
You are being extremely results oriented, if she didn't flop her set would you have made this post?

You'd prob be instead thinking what an easy game this is
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07-06-2015 , 09:29 AM
Yes. I was about to berate you about how we didn't even know the results but thankfully I went back and checked beforehand.

This is a non decision. It's as straight forward as it gets.
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07-08-2015 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
Did you notice OP is 2nd of 15 in chips? Do you agree that OP will be all-in versus the chipleader?

To clarify, going all-in with KK is fine here. Folding KK is fine here. OP is not guaranteed anything here.
Being "2nd of 15 in chip" is a relative term, relative to the number of big blinds. Hero and Vill both have like 30-40bbs, which is nothingburger in a live MTT. Also there are 15 places left, which means there will be tons of shoving and tons of doubling-up and hero's 2nd-in-chips standing is far from static.

You make it sound like Hero can pass on this hand and cruise to a top-3 finish with 30bb and 15 people left. Maybe if Hero and Vill had 100bb and the other 13 had less than 10bbs I would consider folding.
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07-08-2015 , 10:31 PM
call and be happy about it... don't be results preoccupied. getting it in based on her range and your assumptions make you a big favorite.
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07-09-2015 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SetSetter
Maybe if Hero and Vill had 100bb and the other 13 had less than 10bbs I would consider folding.
I'll agree with this.

Folding here is a massive missed opportunity. It's truly a snap call; maybe sigh, maybe mutter an obscenity or two while pushing your stack forward, but chips better be in the middle in < 5 seconds.
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07-09-2015 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
chips better be in the middle in < 5 seconds.
if i'm up against OP and they dont snap call this spot i'm sitting there pretty tilted i got nit rolled
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07-09-2015 , 12:48 PM
Agreed I'd be unhappy.
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07-09-2015 , 02:06 PM
These tournaments play so fast structure-wise. If you can accumulate any kind of chip lead in the late stages you can crush the rest of the table. You were very lucky to pick up KK at such a late stage and be able to get it in for 30BB+. Happily call and don't be surprised to see one of the small stacks come along as well.
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