Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 600/1,200 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 67.71 BB (VPIP: 17.44, PFR: 13.25, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 86)
BTN: 23.59 BB (VPIP: 29.29, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 101)
SB: 11.31 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 34)
BB: 37.93 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
Hero (UTG): 35.78 BB
UTG+1: 51.43 BB (VPIP: 22.95, PFR: 14.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 124)
MP: 52.23 BB (VPIP: 32.62, PFR: 16.30, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 143)
MP+1: 13.96 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 90)
MP+2: 54.31 BB (VPIP: 28.83, PFR: 15.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 113)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 calls 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, MP+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, UTG+1 raises to 51.33 BB and is all-in, fold, MP+1 calls 11.86 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero ???

Fold to the initial 3bet, fold now also.

I'm getting around 28 to win 71 pot odds so I need around 28% to call in a 3way pot even vs a range of AK, QQ+ and a relatively weak MP+1 call range (IMO) I'm getting atleast 30% equity.

Flatting a squeeze utg with 88 might be a bit loose but it's 6 to win 18 if everyone folds and it's not bad if everyone else calls the 3bet getting 7-1 to flop a set. The only bad thing is if I get squeezed but UTG+! is the only real candidate to have flatted QQ+ as I'm assuming JJ-99 is calling the 3bet not wanting to GII vs a strong btn calling range.

I could 4bet bluff but I don't like that option.

Should I have a flatting range here? If so what hands should I be flatting?

i think your logic of calling the 3b is a little off. Best case scenario you get minimum set mining odds and a majority of the time you get horrible set mining odds , and vs a standard 3b range that's all you're really doing with 88.

I probably should know this off the top of my head but getting 30% after the 4b seems optimistic too

The hands that are good candidates to flat aq, 99-JJ maybe AA will play better with a jam or a fold anyway (QQ, KK, AK is a jam in any world I think). If jam We'll be heads up or 3 way with all the dead money and we want to avoid other villains realizing their equity/want to see 5 with those hands we choose to continue with

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.482% 31.28% 00.20% 10344064530 65047098.83 { 88 }
Hand 1: 18.248% 17.68% 00.57% 5845625808 187952327.83 { 88-22, AKs, AJs-A2s, KJs+, QJs, AQo-A2o, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 2: 50.270% 49.80% 00.47% 16464895063 156497656.33 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }


I don't know the range of MP+1 but he had A2s

Ah ok I misread that you would get in vs MP+1 not BB. So calling off now is from a cEV perspective is close to break even , maybe slightly + and I'd vote not a mistake in early stages. I just don't think we can be throwing a lot of those aces and pairs we crush in the mix regardless of the result

Though I think you need to strongly consider BBs range when deciding on flatting the initial 3b, which I do think was a mistake for the reasons stated before.

I agree but if I'm flatting 99-JJ and AQ how bad is it to flat 88, seems like a very marginal -ev decision at worst. I think 88 is the bottom of my flatting range.

I also think that UTG+1's range is weighted towards AK and QQ when he backraises. which makes it more +ev to call.

4bet shove or fold to the initial 3bet depending on what you think of the BB, flatting is bad at this stack depth. Turbo muck JJ and probably even QQ against that back raise.

Pretty much this.

Fold, no options.

What range are we giving to the back raise?