Bovada $44 ($4k GTD 6-max)

Blinds 40/80 with 24.5 effective BB stacks.

No reads.

Preflop:

I open to 2.25x BB's from HJ with J-9, CO calls, BB calls. Pot is 7.25 BB's.

Flop: K-8-6

BB checks, I bet 2.62 BB's (36% pot), CO calls, BB folds. Pot is 12.5 BB's.

Turn: Q

Check, check.

River: 3

I shove for my remaining stack of 19.5 BB's (155% pot) into the 12.5 BB pot.

I'm trying to implement overbets into my tournament game, but still don't have a good grasp of when to make them. I decided to overbet here because I figured he can't call without a king and there's not many pairs of kings he can have here besides K-T (A-K, K-Q, K-J, K-9, and K-8 are all pretty unlikely). Two pairs and sets are also unlikely since he didn't bet the turn. I think most of his range here is going to be middle pairs and straight draws/A high.

I think shoving the river I can rep A-A, A-K, K-Q, K-J, and sets that were going for a CR shove on the turn.

Flop c-bet is too loose imo with poor backdoors.

River just doesn't make much sense, idk why you would check turn with AA, KQ, AK. And other value hands like weaker Kx aren't strong enough to size up like this.

You should be able to bet a more normal size to get him off a range of middling one pairs and ace highs. Like 2/3. Basically I don't think his range is particularly strong so I don't see reason to size up.

Generally spots you want to overbet are

a) where you have a lot of hands that want to bluff
b) where you have nut combos and villain doesn't
c) where villain has a strong overall range but lacks combos of the strongest possible hands, e.g. when he will have a lot of tpgk type hands or something

I could be wrong on some of this^ or not understand it that well.

Checking the turn and over betting the riv would raise alot of red flags if I were the villain. The 3 on the riv is not a good card at all to make this bet imo. Betting turn and over betting the river would make more sense.

Overbets are appropriate when the inflection point (the bet size that sits exactly between your opponent's decision to call or fold) is higher than the size of the pot. e.g. you have a station as an opponent and can get paid off far more than you would normally.

I think overbets for value are great at times. Not so convinced about bluff overbets, unless you've shown a couple of overbets for value with the V.

Can you give a specific example for each spot? Also, when should you overbet on the flop or turn? By overbet I mean betting first, not overbet raising someone's bet. I ask because I generally see overbets reserved for the river only.

a) deep eff. stacks, we open SB to BB 3x. 985dd goes c-bet, call. 2s goes c-bet, call. 2h peels otr. we will have a huge amount of combos of hands that want to bluff here, tons of gutshots, OESDs, f draws. yet we also have value hands (particularly TT-AA) that Villain lacks (V has lot of bluffcatchers) so we want value with those hands. So I would probably bet twice pot with Q9+ or something like that, maybe K9+.

b) this was the one I was less sure of. but basically the idea is that in spots where both Hero and Villain can have strong hands but Villain lacks the strongest rank of hand possible our range benefits from going bigger. So like, 9handed we open MP2 and get flatted by MP3. deep eff. stacks. 987r goes cbet call. 3x goes cbet, call. 2x otr. I think we can consider overbetting 77+ bc V's range is quite strong yet lacks straights (whereas 4 combos of JTs and potentially 65s are in our range). It's not a spot where we can really v-bet QQ-AA so I think it might make sense to overbet w/a very strong value range (vs. better opponents at least). I could be wrong tho.

as far as overbets pre-river, generally they are used when we have a ton of hands we want to semi-bluff. Let's say we defend BB vs. BTN and KT5dds checks thru. 8s ott. Cash players will shovel $100 into a pot of $60 here bc they want to bet all QJ, J9, 76, gutshots, f draws.

keep in mind a lot of this stuff comes from looking at poker from a cash standpoint instead of mtts, where a lot of times SPR will dictate sizings and ranges. also some other ppl that poke around here are more qualified to comment on this than me (where are you when we need you lissi ).

Don't bet the flop here. I also would never make the over bet bluff here on the river as the risk reward is awful as you really just don't appear that strong.

If I was to run a bluff here it would be a triple barrel against the right opponent judging that our image is tight. Your range would appear a lot stronger and if our opponent has a hand better than TPTK he more than likely will raise the flop or the turn. It's still a risky play and wouldn't do it too often unless the elements are right.

Why not cbet the Kxx,r flop? Seems like a decent flop to cbet, even 3-ways. River doesn't represent anything, as implied by other posters.

We have no draw and Kx is a decent % of CO's range so we will have zero equity when called some of the time. Just poor shape equity-wise vs. two opponents.

Flop bet is Fine. Can barrel them off sometimes or hit and play potcontrol.
River is terrible as discussed your line at best reps Kx which would not jam River. I would call You light.

Barrel turn. River you rep nothing.

What???

He reps 33.

ok, sometimes they have their place...

^why do we want to overbet there? normal sizing seems fine as we rep Tx pretty well and V is quite weak

Generally feel it's not best to cbet this flop with our hand.

But, as also mentioned above, barreling turn looks better to me than checking turn and overbetting river (which looks pretty suspicious).

because

• i have close to zero SDV even against his weak range
• V likely stations off any standard size bet with any A-high and any pair, leaving only a small Kx range that I may fold out
• i may well check to the river then overbet huge for value with QJ or A7 in this spot, so my bluff should appear somewhat credible and fold out some strong pair and possibly 2pr hands
• i'm deep enough to try it without significantly affecting stack utility should it fail

so, i thought it was a good spot for an overbet bluff, despite my earlier stated dislike for such lines

And theoretically when villain's range is capped or close to capped (i guess he leads most 7x and QJ OTT right, and we hv lots of potential bluff combos, its OK to overbet

^^yeah that all makes a lot of sense actually

PokerStars - $30+$3|10000/20000 Ante 2000 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 1,000,448
BB: 363,940 (VPIP: 30.19, PFR: 22.11, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 213)
SB: 610,612 (VPIP: 20.88, PFR: 16.47, 3Bet Preflop: 8.57, Hands: 92)

3 players post ante of 2,000, SB posts SB 10,000, Hero posts BB 20,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 36,000) Hero has Q 6

BB raises to 40,000, fold, Hero calls 20,000

Flop: (96,000, 2 players) 8 T T
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: (96,000, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 48,000, BB calls 48,000

River: (192,000, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 292,000, BB calls 273,940 and is all-in

Hero shows Q 6 (Full House, Sixes full of Tens)
(Pre 34%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
BB shows T A (Full House, Tens full of Sixes)
(Pre 66%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
BB wins 739,880


here's another spot, idk why HH is ****ed up, V is BTN and Hero is BB