MP1: 474,000 (39.5 bb)
MP2: 330,924 (27.6 bb)
Hero (MP3): 340,360 (28.4 bb)
CO: 669,508 (55.8 bb)
BTN: 599,555 (50 bb)
SB: 122,285 (10.2 bb)
BB: 49,785 (4.1 bb)
UTG+2: 67,271 (5.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8 8
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 24,242, MP2 folds, Hero calls 24,242, 2 folds, SB raises to 121,085 and is all-in, BB folds, MP1 raises to 472,800 and is all-in, Hero folds


Vill1 was playing 16/14/5.1 over 635 hands. I 3bet shoved on him the previous hand so i wasnt sure if i should be 3betting or just flatting now. His stats wasnt that aggresive and i opted to call because of that. Is this the std or a 3b/call is better?
Then the shortstack (36/29/41 3bet over 25 hands) moves in for 10bb and and vill1 goes all in. Do u expect him to do that with his complete range? Is 88 a call? What would be the worst hand to call?

seems like an openfold rly. we are kinda short for flatting 88 here and there 3 shorties, but then again 2 of them r uber shorties. we dont also have room basically for 3b/f here, so we cant "iso" the bigstack. MP1 gets killer odds here to iso the shorties and u havent shown strength here, so he might be a bit light ~KQ/77+, but we cant discount anything. 99/AQ on days when u run good and TT/AK on others imo.

this could be a good spot to flat the blade. vs a 16/14 I think we have to fold it but there are some players who I will gamble with 88 here.

Got to know your table as to whether you can flat or not pre flop.

bump

don`t like flat unless you`re going to call it off vs OR, but inducing with 88 is a bit spewy.

3b/c is an option, but if you don`t like it bc of dynamics//history I`d just open-fold it.

I`d 3b/c 99/AQ for sure.
If you 3b-jammed on him last hand then there`s no reason to flat something I think, just 3b/c your value range.

with all the shorties behind it's a pretty clear open fold to me.

In the open fold camp..

**** the shorties. Shoving pre. Easy fold now as played.

if most of these samplehands are with antes i'm folding, if not its close.

shorties make OR's range tighter.

Myth. Its probably true for a small % of people but I can't see assuming it for every villain just because you'd adjust your range a little.

Plus if you want to take it to another level, assuming villain will adjust then he can assume the same for us when we shove. How much stronger is our range gonna be knowing his is tighter and he wont open as unnecessarily wide.

vs a 16/14 villain 88 facing an open raise with 28BB is very close/probably a fold.

with shorties it makes it a clear fold just because a small to decent percentage of tags are mindful of shorties behind. Also because we get reshoved on by OR when shorties reopen the betting. save your chips in the 20-30 BB range for clear +EV spots imo. we don't have much room to speculate only to lose our r/f ability.

As for the rest of your post, he can't do that, because shorties will shove and he'll have to get it in light.

ok thz everyone for the help