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Old 07-02-2012, 02:37 PM   #1
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Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

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Dealt to Hero A T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $400, MP1 calls $400, MP2 calls $400, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $200

FLOP ($1,700) Q Q 5

BB bets $850, Hero calls $850, MP1 raises to $1,700, MP2 raises to $2,600 (AI), BB folds, Hero folds, MP1 calls $900

BB donked often.
Immediately fold on donk?
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:41 PM   #2
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if BB donked often I shove over his lead
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:47 PM   #3
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

fold flop to donk.

or shove. don't flat.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:51 PM   #4
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

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fold flop to donk.

or shove. don't flat.
we open A10 suited with 25BB...flop a FD...get a nice size pot...get donked into by a frequent donker...and we fold?
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:26 PM   #5
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

somehow get all your chips in the pot
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:32 PM   #6
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fold flop to donk.

or shove. don't flat.
its hard to give him a range that this is a fold against.
flat >>> fold

i'd jam since we get some pairs to fold and some weaker draws to call
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:29 PM   #7
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

fold pre on most tables in 2012.

call it off as played, think we are quite happy getting it in with the nut flush draw 3 ways.
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Old 07-02-2012, 06:10 PM   #8
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its hard to give him a range that this is a fold against.
flat >>> fold

i'd jam since we get some pairs to fold and some weaker draws to call
maybe fold is bad. but flatting is worse ainec


ps. our FD is not as powerful on a paired board imo and the Ace is not a clean out. If you think BB is folding to a shove then do it.

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Old 07-02-2012, 07:50 PM   #9
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

I also like a shove here
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:57 PM   #10
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fold pre on most tables in 2012.
why?
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:58 PM   #11
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

most people are push/folding a lot better these days and we're opening into a lot of stacks that will be push/folding. But table might be tight and then the opens fine.
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Old 07-02-2012, 09:47 PM   #12
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i'd jam since we get some pairs to fold and some weaker draws to call
I doubt it since you never rep Qx shoving flop and mostly exactly FD.
MP1 can fold a pair though being out of all positions.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:52 PM   #13
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

thinking this is a fold pre because people shove so awesome is ridiculous. I don't care what buy in this is
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:09 PM   #14
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

dont fold pre.. shove over his flop lead, calling is awful, but folding otf wouldnt be that baaad
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:11 AM   #15
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Re: Flop situation ATs on QQ5s

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maybe fold is bad. but flatting is worse ainec


ps. our FD is not as powerful on a paired board imo and the Ace is not a clean out. If you think BB is folding to a shove then do it.
wat? if the call wins you chips, and the fold is neutral EV. how can the call be worse AINEC!!
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