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10-04-2015 , 11:03 PM
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centurion
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FT on $5R. I feel this is such a close spot I ran it through ICM calculator and calling AQ here is right on 0 EV. So do we call this or not?





    Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (17,500/35,000 blinds, 4,375 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37145965

    MP1: 995,202 (28.4 bb)
    MP2: 2,737,231 (78.2 bb)
    MP3: 1,648,885 (47.1 bb)
    CO: 198,897 (5.7 bb)
    BTN: 223,110 (6.4 bb)
    SB: 448,900 (12.8 bb)
    Hero (BB): 524,775 (15 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q A
    MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 70,000, 3 folds, SB raises to 444,525 and is all-in, 2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 205,625 pot
    SB mucked and won 205,625 (131,250 net)



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    10-04-2015 , 11:06 PM
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    centurion
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    I figure I post the hand I busted also. I think this was a bad shove. I really should have like 77 AJ+ here correct?





      Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (20,000/40,000 blinds, 5,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37145967

      MP: 909,577 (22.7 bb)
      CO: 2,549,606 (63.7 bb)
      BTN: 1,973,260 (49.3 bb)
      SB: 218,897 (5.5 bb)
      BB: 676,510 (16.9 bb)
      Hero (UTG): 449,150 (11.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2 2
      Hero raises to 444,150 and is all-in, MP raises to 904,577 and is all-in, 4 folds

      Flop: (978,300) A 4 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (978,300) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (978,300) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 978,300 pot
      Final Board: A 4 4 4 K
      MP showed Q A and won 978,300 (529,150 net)
      Hero showed 2 2 and lost (-449,150 net)



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      10-04-2015 , 11:36 PM
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      both are pretty std gii
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      10-04-2015 , 11:38 PM
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      I dont know what "we" do.
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      10-05-2015 , 03:20 AM
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      deviation of equilibrium
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      Folding 1, not excited of jamming 2 but can't be too bad.ICM is a bitch.
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      10-05-2015 , 04:16 AM
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      man its the final table and we dont have any reads? hand 2 seems fine. hand 1 is usually going to be a fold, but w/his towering 70bb stack and super shorties playing for payjump villan may be opening very light here, in which case SB should be correctly reshipping lighter. if we notice any of these things is should push us towards calling
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      10-05-2015 , 06:00 AM
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      deviation of equilibrium
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      If... yes. I would not assume this for random 5r. SBs range should be std 7%ish
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      10-05-2015 , 05:13 PM
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      hand 2 is defo not a shove, especially with a very shortstacked player
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      10-06-2015 , 05:01 AM
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      Push the first, fold the second...I'd push 55+, ATs, AJ+,KQs
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      10-06-2015 , 05:09 AM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
      both are pretty std gii
      1 - close and I see myself folding in 5r fields.
      2 - I think it should be a fold $ev but I might be wrong given we're 6 handed.
      Its a common mistake to overvalue small pps in such spots and gii saying "I haz a pair, Im allin"
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      10-06-2015 , 01:41 PM
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      Hand 1 - you answered you own question. It's 0EV. So do you want the variance ?

      2- std shove in 6max


      Edit: 2 is a snap fold with sb busting too often here.
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