I have villain tagged as a whale, general splashy player.

no reads on his overbet turn range.

I thought wtf, shove as I figured him to showdown with huge draws some of the time and others with a weaker Jx hand. I did not feel like he was going to fold, and at the time did not really want to peel and fold spade and other rivers a lot.

we need like 45% equity if we factor in that we don't have FE more than likely.

should I muck the turn?

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Poker Stars €45+€5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds + t15 - 9 players - View hand 1813230
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MP1: t14471 M = 45.94
MP2: t11483 M = 36.45
CO: t29834 M = 94.71
BTN: t8099 M = 25.71
SB: t9515 M = 30.21
BB: t1780 M = 5.65
UTG: t9119 M = 28.95
Hero (UTG+1): t18644 M = 59.19
UTG+2: t10645 M = 33.79

Pre Flop: (t315) Hero is UTG+1 with J A
UTG calls t120, Hero raises to t300, 1 fold, MP1 calls t300, 5 folds, UTG calls t180

Flop: (t1215) T 3 9 (3 players)
UTG bets t240, Hero calls t240, MP1 folds

Turn: (t1695) J (2 players)
UTG bets t2160, Hero raises to t17040, UTG calls t6404 all in

River: (t18823) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

the change in sizing would make me fold, looked like he wanted to induce a raise on the flop and 3bet it.

why are we 3 betting preflop? and i fold this turn, he could do this with alot of 2 pairs and maybe 33/99/1010. only thing you beat here is a combo draw. and even that has pretty good equity here.

with villain being a whale i dont mind the iso 3bet pre. turn is a snap fold.

i don't see a 3bet pre. you should muck turn.

Raise more pre , fold turn he prob has T9 or something . This huge bet says to me he was rly happy about his hand on the flop but now is worried about the turn

this exactly, imho

360 pre every day against whale. but your biggest problem here is calling the flop.

calling otf defines your hand as two overs missing the flop and that's what he was hoping you'd do. (he might have draw, weak pr or monster here, and his bet doesn't define his hand). it's a really bad/exploitable style he plays, but just make a note and move on.

raise/fold against his probe bet can often work here, but i'd need a read that he was capable of folding to a strong raise over his donk bet. if he's a loose/passive fish that calls everything, there are MUCH better spots than this to get his chips. just hit a hand against him and value bet.

agree with frogman on the rest.

as played, i can see why you shoved (since he can still be on multi, staunchly defending mid pair, or hit QJ/KJ) but you always run a risk. he may have flopped a monster.

i think he just presses buttons and does not think much.
i'd peel as well OTF vs this small bet and backdoor equity.
folding turn since he does not seem scared/his sizing is strong and we have a bluffcatcher.

raise flop>call flop

snapfold turn

I raise flop alot more than I peel it and I fold it much less often than I do either. Just raise and barrel your backdoors/overs if you hit them.

folding turn as played.

I contemplated raising flop, but vs a whale, is it not > to peel and just get to showdown/ try to hit one of our outs and go for value if he checks to us ott.
Vs someone competent that bets say 4-500 I would likely elect to raise as you both suggested. thoughts?

you have more backdoor cards than outs, those are better for barrelling and if you flat you have no control over action ott. Also by raising you get the guy behind you to fold much his range that beats you.

Against a bad player I much prefer calling the flop to raising it. Just keep the pot on the small side and expect villain to more or less let you know what they have. Turn looks like a fold to me.

360 pre
770~ flop
as played
c turn
c river

QJ KJ or any flush draw