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09-13-2014 , 01:26 PM

betgo

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ITM. Villain is random. Not terrible, but sees a lot of flops. Fold to shove?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $100 Tournament, 600/1,200 Blinds 120 Ante (9 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

MP2 (t112,309)
Hero (MP3) (t39,077)
UTG+1 (t92,897)
UTG (t32,743)
CO (t16,446)
Button (t16,454)
SB (t11,440)
BB (t39,612)
MP1 (t23,656)

Hero's M: 13.57

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10

, 10

4 folds, Hero raises t2,400, 2 folds, SB calls t1,800, BB calls t1,200

Flop: (t8,881) 8

, 8

, K

(3 players)
SB bets t8,320 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???

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09-13-2014 , 03:02 PM

Alexo

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I can never find the fold button ingame.. sometimes it's K5, sometimes it's 66, I'm calling unless I'm meagdeep in a big tour and wanna dodge as much variance as possible

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09-13-2014 , 05:03 PM

dodah

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looks like sng from sb..am snapping here

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09-14-2014 , 11:14 PM

Everyday81

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I can see why the first couple responses would be to call, but being there are only likely to be 5 cards V can be holding that win on this flop, my thought is to fold because he is likely to know you know this - and so should be less inclined to shove air. You have him so well covered too - why would he jam with nothing...then again I suppose he may show up with 77, 88, 99 too...

Like I said, I guess I fold unhappily.

Result?

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09-14-2014 , 11:52 PM

Alexo

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randoms don't "know you know this", randoms that call with <10bbs and donk shove don't know anything. Stop giving people credit.

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09-15-2014 , 02:55 AM

gamboneee

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Originally Posted by Everyday81

this is a really ugly train of logic to ever take

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09-17-2014 , 11:43 AM

gregz41

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If villain sees lots of flops then shouldn't we have a decent idea of his donking tendencies?

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09-18-2014 , 07:37 PM

FatsoFat6969

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call

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09-18-2014 , 09:20 PM

Dragons_Egg

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I'd call

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09-19-2014 , 12:38 AM

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oldsilver

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calling.

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09-19-2014 , 12:53 AM

#11

DudeImBetter

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Interesting all the call advocates.

What do we know? V is described as at least semi competent. He's hours into a $100 online tourney and already ITM. First to act, V shoves a PSB into two villains with 5x his stack.

You all really that confident he's doing this with 66-99? That seems like wishful thinking.

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09-19-2014 , 02:32 AM

#12

Alexo

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calling with this stack and donkshoving anything isn't a sign of being competent

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09-19-2014 , 02:33 AM

#13

betgo

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Villain had KJo.

I think it is an easy call. Should have probably posted it without my hand to discuss range.

We are putting in about 33% of the money. Are about 10% against a K, but 90% against a lower pp, and way ahead against a lot of other holdings. So if you are ahead 1/3 of the time it should be a cEV+ call.

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09-19-2014 , 02:35 AM

#14

Alexo

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Yeah well, standard pleasediebeforetomorrow moment

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09-19-2014 , 08:07 AM

#15

gregz41

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I actually don't think this is a call vs SB.

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09-19-2014 , 08:47 AM

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lissistinkt

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Originally Posted by gregz41

I actually don't think this is a call vs SB.

maybe thats why u ft 1ks

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09-19-2014 , 02:23 PM

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gregz41

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Originally Posted by lissistinkt

maybe thats why u ft 1ks

Although being able to correctly read your hand also helps, I'll be embarrassed when the replays go up, that's for sure.

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09-19-2014 , 07:13 PM

#18

betgo

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Originally Posted by lissistinkt

maybe thats why u ft 1ks

So you think this is a fold too?

IMO I am usually way behind, but don't think I can fold with pot odds, given my hand is 90% against a lot of the range he might do this with.

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09-19-2014 , 09:52 PM

#19

gregz41

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Just really hard for him to have a complete airball into 3 players. A pocket pair is way more likely to get it in pre than a broadway.

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09-19-2014 , 10:16 PM

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oldsilver

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Although being able to correctly read your hand also helps, I'll be embarrassed when the replays go up, that's for sure.

(heh, we've all been there)

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09-20-2014 , 12:30 AM

#21

betgo

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Originally Posted by gregz41

Just really hard for him to have a complete airball into 3 players. A pocket pair is way more likely to get it in pre than a broadway.

Into 2 players. I actually thought it was a good spot for him to shove complete airballs, as probably no one has 99 or better to call him with. It is a dry paired board that probably missed everyone.

Why push a K, when I probably cbet and he can c/r? Plus there aren't many cards hitting he has to worry about. Hard to get into the thought processes of someone who would call in SB with KJo and 10xBB though.

Last edited by betgo; 09-20-2014 at 12:37 AM.

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09-20-2014 , 09:47 AM

#22

steaksaucy

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Defs can see smaller PPs jam In this spot

call

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09-20-2014 , 10:14 PM

#23

blank0909

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Originally Posted by Everyday81

yes randoms dont know you know this and i like how you try to explain like NSB

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