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Early stages  MTT - aggro table, luck or bad beat? Early stages  MTT - aggro table, luck or bad beat?

02-23-2015 , 04:35 PM
    Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35227601

    MP1: 8,295 (207.4 bb)
    MP2: 3,373 (84.3 bb)
    MP3: 3,000 (75 bb)
    CO: 3,816 (95.4 bb)
    BTN: 5,550 (138.8 bb)
    SB: 6,600 (165 bb)
    BB: 4,815 (120.4 bb)
    UTG+1: 2,907 (72.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 3,000 (75 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
    UTG+1 raises to 120, Hero raises to 240, 7 folds, UTG+1 raises to 480, Hero calls 240

    Flop: (1,020) 2 7 T (2 players)
    UTG+1 bets 480, Hero calls 480

    Turn: (1,980) 3 (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

    River: (1,980) 7 (2 players)
    UTG+1 bets 1,947 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,947

    Spoiler:
    Results: 5,874 pot
    Final Board: 2 7 T 3 7
    UTG+1 showed A A and won 5,874 (2,967 net)
    Hero showed Q Q and lost (-2,907 net)



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    I seem to be echoing his idea of playing the high PP minimally pre, c-bet -> calling flop, checking turn, calling a river jam. I could only put him on KK, AA or 1010 a small amount of the time. His range is from AQo+ AJs+ and any 99 up. Not much to analyse, stacks are equal, blinds are small and his action has been thin. C-bet is too standard so calling was a no brainier, turn check I didn't want to be tricky with no need to bet since no better would fold with a wet board. Only such a smal amount of the time he improves Otr so I feel I have to call with my entire range this far.
    P.S. Excuse any typos I'm doing this on mobile, copying and pasting HH was a nightmare, I copied from my email on iPhone 6.
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    02-23-2015 , 05:12 PM
    bad beat?
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    02-23-2015 , 05:21 PM
    Somewhat image dependent. What are yours and his image btw?

    I probably raise to something like 320 pre - I'm not exactly looking for a bunch of callers. The min 4-bet from him looks super scary given you're UTG+1 and he's UTG. Do we think he's doing this with TT, JJ or AK? Seems heavily weighted AA, KK in a vaccuum.


    Post - I think flop is fine. Turn is debatable - we either jam or check. If we jam, we might get calls from AK with one heart or JJ if it's in his range, and everything that beats us. River - ugh - at this point we only beat a bluff. I don't think JJ is doing this. I think it's a fold, but I'm not sure I ever find it.
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    02-23-2015 , 06:06 PM
    Lately, at least in my experience I've been noticing more UTG raises than before, to disguise inferior hands though strong, but not always premium. This is a tough spot and so naturally it's tempting to take chances with QQ to double early though it isn't necessary. This I'd say is debatable. Image is slightly aggro though not enough hands yet to be more accurate, specific tendencies.
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    02-23-2015 , 07:35 PM
    Im just flatting pre from these positions. We hate life when he 4bets so lets keep his range wide now. We can balance our 3b range with some suited Ax combos, but it doesnt matter in a $22

    Reads on the opponent would help, I think I pretty frequently find a fold vs winning players as played

    "His range is from AQo+ AJs+ and any 99 up"

    Not sure if you meant this was his range before he bets on the river or after, but clearly he isnt going to have the unpaired or weaker pairs after he jams, at least not with the same frequency as aces or kings.
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    02-24-2015 , 12:52 PM
    Just flat preflop
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    02-24-2015 , 03:42 PM
    prefer a flat pre. keep it deep / our range wide. we don't really mind anyone else coming along behind as QQ isn't difficult to play postflop this deep. and if someone squeezes/3bets behind us and the UTG 4bets then we have an easy fold.
    as played, i'm a little unsure what villian is turning into a bluff on the river here? AK with the ace of hearts? not many regs are this spewy this early..
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    02-25-2015 , 01:05 PM
    Think you can fold the river pretty easily.
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    02-25-2015 , 02:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ozmosis313
    Think you can fold the river pretty easily.
    This, with his river jam it's quite obv. that his check on turn was just trapping and hoping you would put most of your chips in.
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    02-25-2015 , 03:01 PM
    Flat pre, but your sizing is horrendous. 360 minimum.
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    02-25-2015 , 03:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gregz41
    Flat pre, but your sizing is horrendous. 360 minimum.
    I know, will make it 360 in the future, came across this today actually and did what you said - won a pot though a small one.
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    02-25-2015 , 05:19 PM
    He doesn't have AQo/AJs and 99+, that's close to his range the first time he opens. Once you get 4bet, if he plays properly, he has either KK+ or a bluff. With these positions and sizings I'd think he has literally AA a lot. Would probably fold flop, hard to fold pre as you can setmine.
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