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Did I make a bad call? Did I make a bad call?

04-25-2017 , 03:31 PM
Hi,

Only 26 players left out of 400+ MTT in Stars - 6max 27$ Hyper. UTG player seems to be descent but I don't really have any reads. As you can see in the hand history I called his 14bb shove with A9 with 10bb. Did I make a bad call? 14BB is quite a lot of chips for a hyper (slightly below average) and after thinking about the hand I just did not see UTG shoving anything worse than mine... Especially UTG, with several players left to act and close to the FT and big money. I just couldn't fold my suited A with only 10bb and blinds approaching quickly... At the time i was quite disappointed with my call.

What do you guys think? THX



    Poker Stars, $25.71 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 750 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37710835

    BTN: 68,952 (23 bb)
    SB: 34,366 (11.5 bb)
    BB: 73,679 (24.6 bb)
    MP: 42,217 (14.1 bb)
    Hero (CO): 28,058 (9.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A 9
    MP raises to 41,467 and is all-in, Hero calls 27,308 and is all-in, 3 folds

    Flop: (62,866) T 2 Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (62,866) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (62,866) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 62,866 pot
    Final Board: T 2 Q J 4
    MP showed A Q and won 62,866 (34,808 net)
    Hero showed A 9 and lost (-28,058 net)



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    04-25-2017 , 04:22 PM
    auto-call in my book...

    look, you are NOT close to the FT considering there's still 26 of you and you only have 9 BB .. in two more hands, you have less than 8 BB if you fold here..

    i'm not quite sure why you are beating yourself up. the Poker Gods werent with you, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt have GII ...

    if you didnt, what would you be waiting for ??

    good call
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    04-26-2017 , 06:53 AM
    Sure I get that I am still quite far from the FT and I shouldn't really consider it yet but average players are starting to shove tighter as the money is getting bigger.

    I am not sure if it's a auto call though because even though I have a strong hand and I do not have a lot of blinds, do you think Villain is shoving anything worse in this position? Sure, small pairs. At best I am a 50/50 which I am of course willing to take but I am beat quite often... He has quite a lot of chips for a Hyper MTT and he can definitely wait if he doesn't have a strong enough hand to insta shove UTG. he also has two bigger stacks infront of him left to act.

    Like you said the problem is that if I fold I am left with very little chips. However, it does go very quickly in Hyper's and if I win one all in after that I am basically back in the running. That's something we could calculate... Will I have enough time to wait for an average hand? If I am the one who shoves I can do it much lighter though.

    Interested to hear your opinion or others as well?
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    04-26-2017 , 09:49 AM
    i think u see there just pairs and a10s, ajo
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    04-26-2017 , 10:30 AM
    So Laimis you would fold? Anyone has ICmizer? What does it say? Probably a call but it does not take in consideration a lot of points/situation discussed.
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    04-26-2017 , 12:02 PM
    Are these six-max tables? I can't come up with any other reason why you'd be playing five-handed with 26 people still in the tournament.

    If it's a full-ring table, you might get to see enough hands that you could wait for a better edge. But in that case, something strange has happened for Stars not to be seating everyone at bigger tables.

    If it's six-max, you're going to get blinded into irrelevance pretty soon if you don't play something. Yeah, you're a 45/55 dog if he's shoving any top 20% hand here, which isn't ideal. But picking up the blinds equalizes pot equity, and you may not get anything better if you wait.
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    04-26-2017 , 01:50 PM
    6 max !
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    04-26-2017 , 05:39 PM
    If you dont like money you should fold.



    Standard call imo.
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    04-26-2017 , 08:51 PM
    I think these hands seem questionable to us mere mortals since we forget the times they scoop the blinds and remember every time our hand is dominated with no help. Standard call says the 2+2 pro logic
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    04-27-2017 , 10:03 AM
    What does ICmizer say ?
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    04-27-2017 , 11:13 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bptuneman
    I think these hands seem questionable to us mere mortals since we forget the times they scoop the blinds and remember every time our hand is dominated with no help. Standard call says the 2+2 pro logic
    You and the pros have access to exactly the same push/shove info.

    It's clearly a shove on Cev basis (as is any Ace, and any suited King)
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    04-27-2017 , 01:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hitchens97
    You and the pros have access to exactly the same push/shove info.

    It's clearly a shove on Cev basis (as is any Ace, and any suited King)
    Yeah, if our opponent is shoving anywhere close to standard ranges he's going to be shoving something like 25% of hands and Ac9c is a slight favorite against that range.
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    04-28-2017 , 06:05 AM
    I do not think he is shoving UTG around 25% of hands...I was thinking 15% which is why I folded. It's a Hyper and people are not always shoving ''as the charts say'' even if they should.

    Would there be a case of folding and shoving the next hand UTG with ''basically any two'' more profitably !? You even have some fold equity which is not the case by calling with A9s which I find more dominated in this particular case than people find it to be. I am just speculating of course.
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