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07-30-2014 , 07:17 PM

rasmer

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 679

The villain seemed laggy, 27/22/20 over 40 hands so I decided to call pre.

Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t4000/t8000 Blinds + t1000 - 9 players
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UTG+1: t88500 M = 4.21
UTG+2: t188534 M = 8.98
Hero (MP1): t417298 M = 19.87
MP2: t295311 M = 14.06
CO: t574070 M = 27.34
BTN: t88490 M = 4.21
SB: t240386 M = 11.45
BB: t308097 M = 14.67
UTG: t378094 M = 18.00

Pre Flop: (t21000) Hero is MP1 with K

3 folds, Hero raises to t16000, 3 folds, SB raises to t39888, 1 fold, Hero calls t23888

Flop: (t96776) J

(2 players)
SB bets t56000, Hero ?

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07-30-2014 , 07:36 PM

BrazilianBatman

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 228

I think he is cbetting almost all his range otf, and this is one of the best flops you could have with your hand. He also doesnt have much of a stack behind, and I dont think he will bet his weak hands ott that we can extract value. I would prefer to just GII here with some good equity against the top of his range that will call and take the pot vs the rest of it..

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07-30-2014 , 08:27 PM

V-Delaney

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,835

No way he's cbetting most of his range on this flop

Think I'd do something else pre

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07-30-2014 , 08:52 PM

BrazilianBatman

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 228

Do you think he is 3-betting 20ish BB stack from the blinds to check fold the flop? There are certainly many Ax and lower PPs he has to bet as a bluff.

I would 4-bet or fold pre flop, but as played I think shoving is the best way to go.

Last edited by BrazilianBatman; 07-30-2014 at 08:57 PM.

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07-30-2014 , 09:00 PM

boobsicles

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,435

Lol he's not nearly betting 100% of his range on this flop...This hits our calling range pretty good. He's betting around 50-60% of his range which we are basically around 40% against.

Call and re evaluate turn...The key card here is Kh
He can't bet his air again OTT our calling range is pretty strong. So on helpless turns fold

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07-30-2014 , 09:12 PM

BrazilianBatman

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 228

Of course this flop hits our range way more than his, but do you really think he is going to simply check fold the flop after 3-betting with a little more than 20BB pre flop?! Even the hands he missed he may try to cbet and take the pot anyway.

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07-30-2014 , 09:42 PM

BrazilianBatman

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 228

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Originally Posted by boobsicles

Considering only the range he has some piece of the board like [99+,AQs-AJs,KQs,QJs,AhKh,AhTh,Ah9h,Ah8h,Ah7h,Ah6h,Ah5h,Ah4 h,Ah3h,Ah2h,AQo-AJo,KQo,QJo] we have 48% equity, if include some bluffs we easily have more than 50%. I dont see why we are going to give up on this equity by just calling the flop when we are getting 3 to 1 odds there and would need about 32% equity to shove it profitably.

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07-31-2014 , 01:32 AM

lissistinkt

old hand

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,816

we have to go with our hand unfortunately

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07-31-2014 , 01:37 AM

boobsicles

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,435

Seems a little wide to assume SB 3bets A6s and QJo OOP...I'd narrow that range.

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07-31-2014 , 05:19 AM

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Dragons_Egg

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,861

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Originally Posted by BrazilianBatman

Do you think he is 3-betting 20ish BB stack from the blinds to check fold the flop? There are certainly many Ax and lower PPs he has to bet as a bluff.

Villain had a 30 BB stack.

I don't think there's too much difference now between taking a call/call line or shoving on the flop.

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07-31-2014 , 05:21 AM

#11

ibimon

adept

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 998

peel/evaluate OTT

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07-31-2014 , 10:35 AM

#12

Registrationtoo

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 351

Pretty simple call on the flop

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07-31-2014 , 10:51 AM

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BrazilianBatman

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 228

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Originally Posted by boobsicles

Seems a little wide to assume SB 3bets A6s and QJo OOP...I'd narrow that range.

I think many players would 3-bet light with these hands instead of calling (for sure) or just folding, but putting a narrow range like 99+,AQs-AJs,KQs,QJs,AhKh,AhTh,Ah9h,Ah8h,AQo-AJo,KQo we still have 48%, with some bluffs we have more than 50% for sure.

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Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg

Villain had a 30 BB stack.

I don't think there's too much difference now between taking a call/call line or shoving on the flop.

If we are going to call the turn there is really not so much difference. I think that shoving is best because I dont think he is going to double barrel with his air hands, so we dont lose money if he folds them, but some of his these air like Ax may hit the turn and we lose the pot.

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07-31-2014 , 12:19 PM

#14

user12345

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3,737

I think shoving is better as played.

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07-31-2014 , 12:57 PM

#15

Alexo

old hand

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 1,245

You aren't in that late a pos that he'll be 3betting acerag and **** often. I don't like the call preflop but on this flop we have to get it in

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07-31-2014 , 11:53 PM

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axess30

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 82

I'd flop this preflop, but since Hero put himself in this predicament, we've got to go with it. Go ahead and put V all-in.

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