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03-14-2017 , 01:18 PM
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150/300/50a V stacked someone with ATo on T97KK two tone by making a 20k river call, limp called JJ in EP and donked into me as pfr on J75r, and also called limp called a 3bet in MP with 74s. I have a pretty aggro img, showed down a bluff raise ip on a wet board when another dude donked river after turn checked through, and recently showed down AA betting 3/4 pot on 3 streets, K-hi board, got snapped on each by KQ. Very soft table in other words.

V opens to 1500 over one limper and says something like "no more small pots." I bump it to 6k with KsKd. V calls in tempo with about 24k behind.

Flop 7h 5d 4d

V checks.

Pot and ship favorable turns or just ship now?
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03-14-2017 , 02:16 PM
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Don't ship now wtf? Just bet 7k
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03-14-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Bet 10K and then ship any turn. If he has A high he will fold your shove, but if he is bad enough he may peel a card.
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03-14-2017 , 02:31 PM
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^^ agreed with cicakman.. why would we ship it?
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03-14-2017 , 02:39 PM
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^^ agreed with cicakman.. why would we ship it?
Does he fold 99-QQ to a ship on this flop? If A or another face card peels turn it shuts down action.
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03-14-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Does he fold 99-QQ to a ship on this flop? If A or another face card peels turn it shuts down action.
No (but they might), but are they folding those hands if you bet 7k? chances are they fold less if you bet 7K rather than shipping it and they might even ship themselves with those hands. And you're point about if an Ace comes, well I'll take my chances and if it does come then you might have re evaluate, but you can't lose value on potentially being outdrawn by 3 cards. By shipping it you're also killing any action that they might call a c-bet with.
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03-14-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Cool, one more question, I've seen live players snap off an overshove on this sort of board with TPWK "putting the guy on AK." (Correctly, fwiw). So do we ever ship this flop with TT+ and if so what percent of the time?
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03-14-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Cool, one more question, I've seen live players snap off an overshove on this sort of board with TPWK "putting the guy on AK." (Correctly, fwiw). So do we ever ship this flop with TT+ and if so what percent of the time?
You have to have a range of hands of what your opponent is calling your 3 bet with and from what position and also what their image is. It's hard to give a percentage of the time you might or might not ship 10.10+ it all depends on the opponents, their ranges, their stack size and their position relative to you and your range, position and stack size.
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03-14-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Is shipping the flop for 1.8x pot better than gii with 2 60% pot bets or 3 35% pot bets?
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03-14-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Is shipping the flop for 1.8x pot better than gii with 2 60% pot bets or 3 35% pot bets?
Equal I guess, in which case it's a question of whether we get more on avg with bet-bet-(bet) vs shove. Probably the former. I am asking because I see ppl x/snapcall the pfr oop with tp no draw in these early levels so often, for like 100-120bb stacks, that I'm wondering whether anyone here thought shipping was anything other than stupid.
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03-14-2017 , 07:55 PM
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c-bet small to make SPR close to 1 on the turn, ship turn. Or better, if turn is a safe card (like 4 or 5) you can check to induce a punt.
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