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Complete SB after limp and call 2 25xBB  shoves? Complete SB after limp and call 2 25xBB  shoves?

05-09-2017 , 09:59 PM
I didn't raise initially, because I hadn't seen UTG+2 limp much or much limping at this stage, and I didn't want to gii against the limper. I didn't think the BB usually had a big pair with the huge shove. UTG+2 hesitated about 30 seconds before calling. I thought he was expecting me to almost never overcall, so I didn't think he was trapping. If he wasn't trapping, I figured his limping hand couldn't be that strong, and I thought it was unlikely he had a bigger pp.

Blinds 1000/2000/200. $10 rebuy.
UTG 100K
UTG+1 82K
UTG+2 60K
MP 27K
HJ 65K
CO 27K
BTN 35K
SB/HERO 50K
BB 49K

Dealt to hero 9h9s
2 folds, UTG+2 calls 2000, 4 folds, hero calls 1000. BB raises to 49K allin,
UTG+2 allin for 60K, hero calls 50K allin.
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05-10-2017 , 05:21 AM
Would just pre raise vs this UTG limper fish.

AP, seems fine
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05-11-2017 , 05:27 AM
I think its fine. Lots of mid pp + AJs+ KQs+ can be found here.
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05-11-2017 , 06:32 AM
After not isolating pre then I think it is a poor hand to call off over 20BB v 2 players.

Works much better to take the lead yourself and is a very thin spot as a guarenteed all in v 2 other players to beat at showdown.
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05-11-2017 , 12:27 PM
So you´re saying that you don´t want to raise/gii vs UTG, but then you call when BB shoves for 25BB and UTG calls, seems odd to me.
Easy fold man, and yeah raise pre the first time, you don´t want UTG/BB get a free flop with overcards like JTo or what not, and we´re OOP (99 is a really vulnerable hand and flop will have overcards more than 50% of time)
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05-11-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OutPlayU27
So you´re saying that you don´t want to raise/gii vs UTG, but then you call when BB shoves for 25BB and UTG calls, seems odd to me.
Easy fold man, and yeah raise pre the first time, you don´t want UTG/BB get a free flop with overcards like JTo or what not, and we´re OOP (99 is a really vulnerable hand and flop will have overcards more than 50% of time)
Yeah, I thought it was interesting, which was why I posted it, and I may not have played it right. I would have raised the limper earlier in the tournament, but I was more suspicious of limps close to the cash bubble. After the two pushes, I reevaluated and thought I had a call. I thought both players ranges were capped. BB would likely not just shove big hand, and the limper seemed weak from the limp and timing tells.

The results were both opponents had AJo. I had huge equity against their actual hands, 63% 3-ways. 99 held, I was in 2nd place in the tournament, which I won. Obviously, that doesn't make the play correct.
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05-11-2017 , 03:18 PM
I think if your not willing to GII with 99 in this spot 1st as a small favorite then you shouldn't call it off multiway.
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05-11-2017 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FU_UIGEA
I think if your not willing to GII with 99 in this spot 1st as a small favorite then you shouldn't call it off multiway.
What do you mean as a small favorite? If I raise and get 3b by the BB, I can gii due to pot odds, but I am probably not a favorite at that point. Against the limper I may be able to gii due to pot odds, but it might be a fold.

It is a different situation after the pushes. BB showed some weakness by shoving rather than raising and UTG+2 showed weakness due to timing. In any case, if the initial complete was a mistake, than that doesn't mean I should make another mistake by folding to the shoves.
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05-12-2017 , 03:17 PM
I meant Shoving 99 after the fish limps before the player behind you cold calls. Anyway def an intersteing spot. Happy grinding!
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05-12-2017 , 04:48 PM
This hand is weird. Hero doesn't get it in vs the SB because he's weary about it being the first time he limps, opting to complete instead. BB then jams, and the limper calls, presumably folding some of his weaker hands and then calling his better ones, and then hero calls it off?

That seems very strange to me.

What's your range to raise in the SB if it doesnt include this then?
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05-12-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
This hand is weird. Hero doesn't get it in vs the SB because he's weary about it being the first time he limps, opting to complete instead. BB then jams, and the limper calls, presumably folding some of his weaker hands and then calling his better ones, and then hero calls it off?

That seems very strange to me.

What's your range to raise in the SB if it doesnt include this then?
I posted it because it is weird, so I thought it would be interesting.

I don't have an option to gii initially. I can push for 25xBB into a 3.5xBB pot and get called by any traps the limper has plus some other strong hands and strong hands from the BB. I thought the limper was too likely to be trapping for that to be the best play. I can also raise and reevaluate if either player 3-bets.

I thought I was ahead of the BB's shoving range. I didn't think the limper had the top of his range. Due to the timing tell, I thought he was not trapping, which was mainly what I was worried about. I was happy to play against his tank calling range, which I thought I was also well ahead of. Regardless of whether the initial complete was correct, it seems like a clear call to the pushes.

I am definitely raising QQ+ and maybe AK/TT/JJ initially. I am not sure if I am balanced, but I might raise various hands I was fine with folding to a 3-bet from either player. I might not make that kind of play much in this situation though, as the limp was a little unusual at that stage and I am OOP. I might shove from the SB earlier in the tournament, but I probably wouldn't shove with any hand here.
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05-12-2017 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
This hand is weird. Hero doesn't get it in vs the SB because he's weary about it being the first time he limps, opting to complete instead. BB then jams, and the limper calls, presumably folding some of his weaker hands and then calling his better ones, and then hero calls it off?

That seems very strange to me.

What's your range to raise in the SB if it doesnt include this then?
Betgo explained he made a decision based on timing tell.
His logic is perfect, just not sure why is it a thread.
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05-12-2017 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
This hand is weird. Hero doesn't get it in vs the SB because he's weary about it being the first time he limps, opting to complete instead. BB then jams, and the limper calls, presumably folding some of his weaker hands and then calling his better ones, and then hero calls it off?

That seems very strange to me.

What's your range to raise in the SB if it doesnt include this then?
this. really poorly played
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