Small $5K guarantee tourney. 10K Starting Chips 30 min blinds. 40 players.
Blinds are 200/400 Ante 50: 31 players left. I have 14K chips.

I'm in the cutoff with 10J clubs. Two people limp. Guy on my right minraises to 800. I call. BB calls and limpers call. So there's 5 players and a pot of about 4,400.

Flop is 10JQ rainbow. First to act bets a wimpy 1,200. Call, call, call. Wow. Now there's 9,200 in the pot where no one has shown much strength. Only one player has me covered. I shove my 13,200.

Fold, Fold, Fold. YESSS! Short stack with 6K calls. He has KQ. 13 outs. Turn is a 4. Now he has 16 outs. River's a 9 and his straight is a winner.

I've been playing a great deal of turbos lately and was wondering if they were affecting my play. Was that too reckless on such a board? Was I asking for trouble? I'm trying to bring more aggression to my game and understand that you can't win tournaments without taking calculated risks. But I don't want to go too far either.

Thanks,
JAG

The fact you got outdrawn should give you all the closure you need.

Not sure what you mean by that. Was it wrong to shove on such a heavy textured board with bottom two pair? Or was it good because I had the lead?

Well you got it in good, what more can you do? Just got to run better next time. I think you played he hand well by the way.

Ok. Thanks. Trying to close any leaks in my game. Been playing about a year and will be heading to Vegas for WSOP.

The flop is a bit scary, but with all the money in the middle I don't mind it. If you win you are up to 35/40k and in a great position to take this down.

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hero piles. all day.

Hero Piles?

Piles the chips in the middle...

OP - another way to look at this hand is to try to assign hand ranges to each V both pf and on the flop. Also, you were not eliminated by this hand, so say "NH, sir" and keep fighting!

Those were my thoughts. Everyone showed weakness with that baby bet so I went for it. If someone was slowplaying AK, then good for them. I would have been caught. I still had four outs to fill up. You just can't win tourneys without taking some calculated risks.

That's what I did. I figured there were pairs and straight draws out there and I had the best hand. I thought my all in would shut it down but someone had top pair and open ended. Can't blame him for going for it. It was essentially a flip.

No one In that hand can have AK mabe the minraiser but still unlickly the way u played it was standard just got unlucky I feel the first guy to act would be betting bigger with any 2 pair bigger then yours u basically have the nuts he could have 98 but I still think he'd bet bigger the callers also should never have 2 pair don't see what u could of done differently

Agreed. I also dismissed 89. 89 would have been worried about someone hitting a bigger straight and would have protected the hand with a huge bet. Thanks for the input.

JAG

Being last to act was the key. I got to see what everyone else did. If someone were to act behind me, I don't know if I would have shoved. I still would have been tempted to, especially if the person behind me couldn't knock me out.

Bold and reckless. I like it.

I am not really sure what you're asking, here. You got your money in the middle with the best hand and then you got unlucky... Let it go.

You're being results oriented. You got it in good. That's all you can do. He wins about 50% of the time there anyway.

4 villains and we are beat by the following offsuit hands: AK, K9, QJ, QT, 89 and pairs TT, JJ, QQ. Flipping against KQ, KK and AA splitting with TJo. These all are top 50% hands and total ~20% of them + all villains decide to continue meaning that there are many hands in that (50%) range they don't have this time.

Shove is ok since the callers have the strongest hands less than bettors, but it still isn't great spot. Calling is fine too, 234567TJ are good turn cards for us. When you push the money in you really want folds and when you get called you pray that they have exactly that hand. In some similar spots it would be results oriented calling it a good shove even if none of the villains have you beat.(What I mean that sometimes the likelihood of getting it in ahead or getting folds is too small and a single good showdown can't be the indicator whether the play was good)