No reads on the villain and no game flow with him 3betting.

Is this a standard call ott?

Did you consider 4bet? Do you think this guy would have flatted a 4bet with QQ+?

I think my JJ is too strong to bluff (4-bet/fold) and too weak vs his 5-bet shove range (4-bet/call). Prefered to keep some of his weak 3-bet range instead of making him fold worst and jamm better...

Without any statistics I would prefer the same line. Looking through villains eyes with QQ+ I would preffer check/shove, instead of bluffing out the opponent on the turn on such a dry board.
I might be wrong as good players shoving the turn to make that shove look like bluff and expect you to call wider.

well played without reads

4b/c against MP2.
4b/f against MP1.

You really think complete randoms show up with worse than JJ here often?

You need V to have 9s and 10s plus some random 97s hand for a call to be good. I would 4b/c pf.

Assuming 4bet in a region of 1k you need 38% and have 36% vs JJ/AK vs mp1.
So whilst its close cev I think we can find a better spots ofc.
I agree.

I hate having to make the call with JJ (or QQ) rather than being the aggressor, but as played I would call 100% of the time on that board. He has plenty of range where he's ahead of you, but also plenty of range where he's behind (99, TT, AK, AQ, 9-T, T-J, A-8) and although you tried to control the pot size, you get to this spot. It's early in the tournament, so either or both of you could be in a mindset of getting an early double-up or re-buying, which only broadens his range.

I think you have to call here.

Flop is already fairly close, turn is a snapfold

pre is debatable

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In my opinion, I would reraise pre between 1500-2000. Does anyone disagree (with this or the reraise sizing)? If so, why? We are OOP w/ vulnerable hand against two Vs. Thx

I like how you played it up til now and I like your pre-flop reasoning.

I probably fold OTT and don't tell anybody

This guy in MP2 is highly unlikely to 3bet pre early in a tourney with 9-T, T-J, A-8

Calling the turn here = lose to QQ+ a lot more often than win vs 99/TT

Well.. I ended up giving that "ohh.. f*** it, I call" expecting to be beaten, and he had TT. Anyway I was not feeling right about that call, so I asked a friend and he thought it was a pretty standard call. Still not convinced I came here lol

Seems that what I suspected were right and it should be a fold...

ty for the replies

Not a standard call at all. Fairly bad actually. Most decent players would not 3'bet TT pre. I can't blame him for shoving turn because your hand looks like a mid pair and felt he'd lose value if AKQ came on the river.

Even if he does 3bet TT you're still way behind his range...I'm also fairly certain when we cold call his 3bet from the blinds he would check behind with AK since our range will almost always call a flop bet on that texture..
Seems like you happened to catch one hand that we beat here. Next time, instafold and feel good about it.

do you count as a complete random?

I like the call on the turn, if this player is any good most of the time he doesn't play aces this way. He could play QQ and KK like this but its more likely he would continue to get value putting you on 99-JJ/AJ+.

There is a good change are a lot of Ks,Qs, and Aces in MP1 open fold range this early in the tourney. When a decision is this close, I like to take small things like that into our equation.

If he's a donk, it makes it more likely he would shove with AA but also much more like he panics and shoves with AK as well as 77+TT.

I don't think we need to call here all of the time since we can expect to show up with QQ+ a decent % of the time and it such a high variance spot but I like making this call more than half of the time we are in this type of spot.

would you please explain how you manage to go from "good call!" to "not a good call," to "lets call sometimes" all in the same post?

Also to add: I must be a fish because i usually like to get the money in with AA on safe boards

yes