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The Bigger  - 22 left, shove or not? The Bigger  - 22 left, shove or not?

11-25-2014 , 02:48 PM
No Limit Hold'em Tournament T25,000/T50,000
Buy-in: $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit
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6 players

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T4,365,446)
MP - Hero (T897,572)
CO - CO (T1,918,087)
BTN - BTN (T2,516,130)
SB - SB (T1,360,968)
BB - BB (T1,233,424)

Preflop: (T112,500, 6 players) Hero is MP with J J
UTG raises to T103,775 , Hero??

Villian is playing 18/15 over 100 hands. Everyone else at table is playing around 20/20. BB is playing 11/10 over over 60 hands.
The Bigger  - 22 left, shove or not? Quote
11-25-2014 , 03:01 PM
Why is this a question
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11-25-2014 , 03:04 PM
Abolutely. 15% raising is not exactly loose but doubtless he will be opening wider as the chip leader here so give him top 20/25%. Even if you weren´t running out of time this is a fistpump spot. If someone had 3bet in front of you it is still a shove. In fact with 16bb it is not common to find a spot at a 6 handed table where it is correct to fold JJ.

Also, don´t forget UTG at 6max is MP at full table.
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11-25-2014 , 04:46 PM
I would jam about 100%. I would also consider 3betting instead jamming because it looks more powerful. Any thoughts on that?
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11-25-2014 , 10:19 PM
Shove it in.
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11-26-2014 , 06:09 AM
Damn... How can a player go so far in the mega sunday donkament and ask this question???

JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM
GII GII GII GII GII GII GII GII GII

More seriously, I think here I'm shoving something like A9+ and 77+. What is your shoving range here? I think mine is maybe a little too tight, but it's because we are only 22 players left and I don't want to regret to make a close JAM, especially after 10 hours of play.
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11-26-2014 , 06:59 AM
Commenters here seem a little insane to me.

I think is a jam but not an easy jam.

You are at almost 20 bb. So versus an UTG JJ can just barely go all in. If we are doing push fold I plugged this and it looks like

JJ+, AKs and that's it. Perhaps I plugged it in wrong. I don't know. You're not playing this hand unless you want to go all in and UTG shouldn't be raising without a very strong hand IMO.

Again people here are insane.

Edit: It depends on pay structure as well... can't really say without knowing structure

Last edited by juggle5344; 11-26-2014 at 07:12 AM.
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11-26-2014 , 07:13 AM
Given the wide UTG range JJ is an easy shove. That's all the more reason though why the UTG shouldn't be raising so loose.

I just think it's bad.
The Bigger  - 22 left, shove or not? Quote
11-26-2014 , 07:38 AM
sorry that you lost
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11-26-2014 , 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joka Smoka
Damn... How can a player go so far in the mega sunday donkament and ask this question???
+1
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11-26-2014 , 05:46 PM
i had same spot in sunday milion with 22 left where fish 3x utg and i jam with jj and he snaped me with aj and riverd me so it still hurts..
i also agreee with other that 19bb in bigger11 is jam there,couse there is not jet huge icm in play and if u win u have realy good position 2 come on ft with nice stack.but u know the best how table dinamick was.
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11-26-2014 , 09:12 PM
OP obv just looking for reassurance that he was coolered.
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11-26-2014 , 11:06 PM
My 2 cents on that,
first of all it´s smallstakes ....
... and ofc it´s easiest shove ever

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joka Smoka
Damn... How can a player go so far in the mega sunday donkament and ask this question???

More seriously, I think here I'm shoving something like A9+ and 77+. What is your shoving range here? I think mine is maybe a little too tight, but it's because we are only 22 players left and I don't want to regret to make a close JAM, especially after 10 hours of play.
Very table and image depended but i guess we can shove reasonably wide but really depends on our table image as well. I´d prolly go as wide as like 109s+, 66+, A8s+, A10o+ Kjo+ if table is folding tight.

Quote:
Originally Posted by juggle5344
Commenters here seem a little insane to me.
I think is a jam but not an easy jam.

You are at almost 20 bb. So versus an UTG JJ can just barely go all in. If we are doing push fold I plugged this and it looks like

JJ+, AKs and that's it. Perhaps I plugged it in wrong. I don't know. You're not playing this hand unless you want to go all in and UTG shouldn't be raising without a very strong hand IMO.

Again people here are insane.

Edit: It depends on pay structure as well... can't really say without knowing structure
UTG should raise pretty wide cause people are shoving and defending way too tight.
Structure: top heavy as any tourney. No ICM pressure with 22 left so we wanna take any +ev spot.
Yes we are insane JJ is bottom range.
AKo is easy fold. Let´s just wait for better spot if we pick up AKo with 18bb 6 handed vs utg raise

@OP only mistake you made in that hand is you probably forgot to fistpump before shoving! Sucks you ran into nuts
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11-27-2014 , 07:56 AM
18bb whit jj defenatly jam what do you expect to shove only aa
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11-27-2014 , 08:00 AM
I came in fourth in this tourny on the 25th, and i think that this is a jam spot. cant sit around this is the ladder portion of the tournament. chips matter and you want to be constantly chipping up. I was chip leader with about 30ish players left and got bad beat multiple times and wind up grinding into 4th somehow. finally going out 66 vs 99 :*( whereby the short stack had gotten it in twice and bad beat the opponent twice so i lose out on 2500 more dollars. yes being tight is right in most cases but i cant find a fold here. i think the utg aspect plays a bit into consideration but with less than 20 bigs gotta AIR MAIL THAT PUPPYYYYYYYY.
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11-27-2014 , 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by time=money07
I came in fourth in this tourny on the 25th, and i think that this is a jam spot. cant sit around this is the ladder portion of the tournament. chips matter and you want to be constantly chipping up. I was chip leader with about 30ish players left and got bad beat multiple times and wind up grinding into 4th somehow. finally going out 66 vs 99 :*( whereby the short stack had gotten it in twice and bad beat the opponent twice so i lose out on 2500 more dollars. yes being tight is right in most cases but i cant find a fold here. i think the utg aspect plays a bit into consideration but with less than 20 bigs gotta AIR MAIL THAT PUPPYYYYYYYY.
This is so worth reading.
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12-03-2014 , 02:25 PM
Clear jam.
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12-05-2014 , 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mashxx
sorry that you lost
+1
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