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Old 06-01-2012, 10:59 AM   #1
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Big 55 struggling w/NFD multiway

Villains are bunch of std DNG unknows, the one who c/r was 25/13 or so

Curious about flop play, checking seems weak to me even multiway, but if we get raised here we are 'always' behind and it happens very often on flops like this one...

I ended up gambling for stacks which pretty much sucks in dng

Thanks.

EDIT: if you bet flop pls comment on sizing as well, I was also considering something like 3/4 + turn shove, maybe its better

Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 9 players
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CO: t2855 M = 11.90
BTN: t7968 M = 33.20
SB: t4123 M = 17.18
BB: t5602 M = 23.34
UTG: t4490 M = 18.71
UTG+1: t3295 M = 13.73
Hero (UTG+2): t3726 M = 15.53
MP1: t2050 M = 8.54
MP2: t2435 M = 10.15

Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is UTG+2 with 3 A
2 folds, Hero raises to t225, MP1 calls t225, 3 folds, SB calls t175, BB calls t125

Flop: (t990) 4 Q K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t444, MP1 folds, SB raises to t1383, BB folds, Hero

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Old 06-01-2012, 11:06 AM   #2
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Re: Big 55 struggling w/NFD multiway

Getting it in isn't that bad. We need 38% and have 42 vs KQs/KQo/44/JTss/JTdd/J9ss.
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:19 AM   #3
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Re: Big 55 struggling w/NFD multiway

Your PF open is super marginal at only like 32BB stack or so form EP. As played you want to get AIOTF after he c/r you. At worst we have 32% equity, at best we're like 45%.
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Your PF open is super marginal at only like 32BB stack or so form EP. As played you want to get AIOTF after he c/r you. At worst we have 32% equity, at best we're like 45%.
Dividing by 100 is hard.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:06 PM   #5
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Dividing by 100 is hard.
? Is the advice wrong? Go to hell.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:35 PM   #6
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? Is the advice wrong? Go to hell.
If its super marginal at 32bb then surely at 37bb it becomes less super and your whole basis for your argument becomes less valid.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:58 PM   #7
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If its super marginal at 32bb then surely at 37bb it becomes less super and your whole basis for your argument becomes less valid.
Obviously, bad math, but it is still a marginal open UTG+1, even 60xBB deep.

Think you might consider not cbetting the wet flop 4-ways. Would be happy with free card and could c/c or c/r.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:09 PM   #8
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Obviously, bad math, but it is still a marginal open UTG+1, even 60xBB deep.

Think you might consider not cbetting the wet flop 4-ways. Would be happy with free card and could c/c or c/r.
I agree its marginal esp for players who need to make posts like my OP Still we can agree that it can't be bad at a weak table.

I considered checking but don't like it since it keeps hands like Qx or 99 in play which sucks.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:19 PM   #9
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Re: Big 55 struggling w/NFD multiway

pre is whatever. readless i'd fold this. on tight tables def open it.
i dont like your cbetsize too much. you want to rep all these nice made hands that are in your range and bet <half pot on a very wet board.

he is like never folding and we dont have the equity to get it in, so fold now.
if we had deeper stacks we could 3bjam flop with FE.
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:21 PM   #10
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Re: Big 55 struggling w/NFD multiway

You played the hand fine if you got it in. You even have 2 backdoor straight draws!
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:38 PM   #11
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Re: Big 55 struggling w/NFD multiway

Some people have some default cbet sizing set in the s/w. You need to have a plan of what to do if raised. If you cbet larger, you price yourself in if raised.

I prefer a check though, as I don't think you are taking it down often and I don't like getting called or raised. Think it is easier to play with various scenarios after you check.
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Re: Big 55 struggling w/NFD multiway

Agree open is thin at best. C bet size is fine...3 bet now and get there
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:00 PM   #13
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Agree open is thin at best. C bet size is fine...3 bet now and get there
All of this... and the 3bet is AI.

Gotta cbet, the only value hands villain can have are KQ and 44 (and we're 34% against that range, so I'm cbetting with the intention of jamming over a raise). Also, you have to figure most villains are raising their value hands and draws. If villain is a donk, he's also raising KJ/KT type hands. ~45% of pot cbet 4 way is hella-strong.

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