Wrong. Stfu

I've only been back on the forums for a handful of days now, and have already noticed you to be the most rude know-nothing troll of the bunch. I'd be happy to engage in a debate with you if you weren't such a douchebag seemingly.

strongly disagree.. with the structure of the bigs in stars we are a lot of times with 14-18bbs and shoving AQ here is a kinda big mistake imo.... we are "loosing" a lot of shoves by worst hands.. and with that stack we maybe dont have a lot of spots to double up.. i mean we need to double up when our stack is still "good"..

I need more proof that this is a "big mistake". Some math would help your argument. AQ is too good to fold. You're more comfortable r/c why? Don't you know it's a horrible habit to R/F below 20BB? Who do we have a read on at the table who we're enticing into 3betting us? Why do you want to play a pot post flop agaisnt bad players who'll call w/ small-mid pairs, etc, when our stack is literally unplayable post flop (especially OOP) unless we hit our hand? We'll be giving up the post most times post flop. THis si all bad.

A huge % of the time everyoen will fold and ull get whats in the middle, which is a big addition to our small stack at this juncture. Sometimes well get called by middling pairs and race, sometimes a hero will call us w/ AJs,KQ, etc. sometimes well get called by AK,QQ+, but if you add up the +cEV of the situation (fold equity + hand equity against percieved calls) you can't argue w/ open shoving, especially if we add in the post flop realities of standard opening these stacks.

Why are you trying to fold out everything that we dominate Foks?

Id be happy to engage in a debate if there was something to debate. What you said just isn't true.

You read my post flop analysis right? If you can run the #s and show me its -cEV PF I might be swayed. Your focus is way too narrow on "I'm folding out hands I dominate". There are many other factors to consider, some of which I've already included in my prior post.

Of course open shoving is +cEV, it's just that at most tables r/c will be more +cEV

hi, ofc i like 300/c never r/f .. 1st i think that a % oftimes we will recieve shoves from worst hands than ours(and pretty much more than the ones that will call our openshove) 2nd i think that we dont have to give up such a big quantity of flops,1/3 of times we will hit a pair.. and the other times it depends of the flop texture.. ofc we are checking 7 8 10, but not 9 2 2 )to give an explample). in conclusion, i think that by openshoving we are wasting a good chance of getting shoved by worst hands that will usually fold if we openshove but prolly shove if we min raise. and remember we are shot and we have to take the possibilities we have

OK. What's your motivation for posting btw? You're unpleasant, and you don't seem to contribute anything of substance. At a glance you seem to be bad for these forums.

What reads do we have that the other players believe 3betting an UTG raiser is standard? 11 hands on one villain? The whole "it's probably more profitable to r/c than AI" has no legs becaue A) we have no reads to support that, and B) you're completelely ignoring that more times than not instead of getting 3b well get flatted, and have no play post flop and be in a -EV position most times post flop w/o fold equity because of our awkward stack.

dont forget that ppl that flat our raise in these spot are 99% of the time idiots...so not big deal to play post flop vs themm.. we should know which flop cbet and which flops c/f

Get flatted by worse hand, by a bad player ... Be in a -ev position.. Mmmkay

Stack size and position can completely flip a situation on its head. So what moves are you comfortable making after putting in 10% of our stack PF, then have to commit another 20-30% on a CB of it completely in the dark. And if you're gonna cut back on your CBs as a response to this reality, then your post flop spot was hampered to begin with because thats a huge part of your winning strategy post flop. This doesn't compute? You honestly think your PF hand value is the only thing that matters in a hand? I would jump off the condescesion train if I were you and read a little deeper into the hand.

lulz

sick thread