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03-25-2017 , 08:49 AM

TommyTD

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Blinds are 400-800 75 ante. Sitting on 18k. Villain is under the gun, older white guy. He's splashy made some decent plays as well as some pretty poor ones. He raises UTG to 1650.

I 3 bet to 6000, he calls. 9 high flop, he checks I shove.

We get it all in, he's got aces they hold, whatever.

My question is does anyone ever flat here? What's an optimal amount for a 3 bet here?

I'm just wondering if I raised less and should have pot controlled even with an over pair

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03-25-2017 , 09:54 AM

gregz41

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I don't know which overpair we have, but sounds like a cooler. Could jam pre as an alternative.

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03-27-2017 , 11:09 AM

Mr.Slip

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True, OP doesnt say what his overpair is, but i suppose 10-10 thru KK plays the same here anywhere....

my question would be, did you have a plan for what actions you would take after you bet the 6K ? basically, if you were gonna call off the rest of your chips (12K) at that point, why not just jam pre?

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03-27-2017 , 01:21 PM

onehandatatime

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3 bet is a little big, also what was your position in the hand and what was villains stack size? Also if you had 10,10-KK it's a cooler unless you had some great read on villain.

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03-27-2017 , 03:28 PM

TommyTD

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Yeah I had JJ. I was in the cutoff, 6 handed. My plan was to just jam flop on fairly safe board i.e. not multiple over cards. If I jam flop it's a pot sized bet.

I'm just wondering if it's better to play small ball, just call maybe? Maybe min 3 bet? Not sure I don't lose all my chips regardless...

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03-27-2017 , 03:32 PM

gregz41

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Tournament players have this mindset where they constantly try to "not go broke" and think that's where edge comes from. Edge predominantly comes from your opponent making equity based mistakes by folding too often / calling too frequently.

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03-27-2017 , 03:34 PM

onehandatatime

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Originally Posted by gregz41

are you talking strictly pre flop?

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03-27-2017 , 03:44 PM

TommyTD

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Originally Posted by gregz41

It's funny you say that, b/c I'm much more comfortable playing cash. That's why I go back to my 3 bet sizing, maybe I'm only getting called by better hands? If I size smaller maybe I can get away from it. Doubtful but wanted to throw it out there for consideration.

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03-27-2017 , 06:18 PM

gregz41

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Originally Posted by onehandatatime

are you talking strictly pre flop?

Nah. Goes for all forms of poker.

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03-27-2017 , 06:19 PM

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gregz41

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Originally Posted by TommyTD

JJ for less than 25bb is almost always the correct play to 3b/c pre. Close to 99%.

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03-28-2017 , 11:47 AM

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jjpregler

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I would raise/call off preflop with JJ, but my sizing would be smaller. You don't want to size the raise such that he cannot make a mistake by continuing with hands that you crush. With a raise this large, he can only continue with hands that either crush you or have equity against you such as AK/AQ, while folding out any hands he may have as a semi-bluff range here, like maybe hands like 98s or smaller pairs.

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