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05-25-2017 , 03:19 AM
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PokerIvey
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Hello,

you fold this hand? 4 left to ITM? I dont know, whether it is right or wrong? Maybe i should fold this hand....


    Poker Stars, $200 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37736567

    MP2: 13,750 (13.8 bb)
    MP3: 31,560 (31.6 bb)
    CO: 27,834 (27.8 bb)
    BTN: 16,354 (16.4 bb)
    SB: 19,899 (19.9 bb)
    BB: 18,140 (18.1 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 10,490 (10.5 bb)
    MP1: 17,949 (17.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T A
    Hero raises to 10,365 and is all-in, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 13,625 and is all-in, 5 folds

    Flop: (23,230) 5 J 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (23,230) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (23,230) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 23,230 pot
    Final Board: 5 J 9 6 9
    MP2 showed Q A and won 23,230 (12,740 net)
    Hero showed T A and lost (-10,490 net)



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    05-25-2017 , 05:07 AM
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    How many players were left in the field? I lean towards folding in that position.
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    05-25-2017 , 06:33 AM
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    Standard shove.
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    05-25-2017 , 07:57 AM
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    The Max-Value shoving chart says it is a 0.37 +EV shove without ICM. So with ICM it is probably a fold. Try put it in ICMizer.
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    05-25-2017 , 11:34 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WorldResident
    The Max-Value shoving chart says it is a 0.37 +EV shove without ICM. So with ICM it is probably a fold. Try put it in ICMizer.
    When you are the player going all in, you put the rest of the table under extreme ICM pressure. All but two players have to risk at least 1/2 their stacks to call off.

    Additionally, ICM is not accurate to measure when you are not playing at the final table.

    On the bubble, with the ICM pressure a shove causes on the other players, you will get much more fold equity than you would in standard middle stages shoves normally get and therefor, would probably increase the profitability margin for this hand.

    Finally, you should play for first, not to squeak by the bubble.
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    05-25-2017 , 02:30 PM
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    I agree we shouldn't try to just squeak by the bubble, we should be cognizant of the play at other tables and not make marginal decisions that eliminate our ability to cash at all.

    That being said, I lean towards a shove, but this is definitely near the bottom of our open shoving range here. If there's a bunch of really short stacks at other tables I can see folding being ok.
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    05-25-2017 , 05:18 PM
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    you have 10 BB ...

    i would 'kill' to have ATo every time i had only 10 BB left..

    you said 4 left to ITM?


    you have no choice but Shove
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    05-29-2017 , 01:09 AM
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    8max I shove, 10max I fold sometimes
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    06-07-2017 , 12:45 AM
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    good shove
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    06-15-2017 , 12:15 AM
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    Not a fistpump but have to go with it.
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    06-15-2017 , 07:36 AM
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    this spot is really not easy to play.

    I m not sure that doubling up at bubble time means that your ROI in this MTT is doubling up too. I think It's too big of a risk at this point, especially if others shortstacks are 4-6bb deep.

    You are sacrificing some chipEv by folding but you are almost sure to reach the money. I think that folding is $ev+ in this situation.

    There are too many guys behind wich can wake up with a hand so EP i would be very tight.

    gl
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    06-15-2017 , 02:08 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jpgiro
    I agree we shouldn't try to just squeak by the bubble, we should be cognizant of the play at other tables and not make marginal decisions that eliminate our ability to cash at all.

    That being said, I lean towards a shove, but this is definitely near the bottom of our open shoving range here. If there's a bunch of really short stacks at other tables I can see folding being ok.
    yeah
    I would shove it in donkaments but fold in big buy-in tourney.
    Majority of randoms play very incorrect vs shoves.

    If its milly I would def fold.
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    06-20-2017 , 09:06 PM
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    How many other tables left? How many player left with fewer chips than you?

    If there are more than four other player left with fewer chips than you, perhaps you can afford to not get involved this hand. If this tourney only pays 4 places, you must shove here.
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