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04-26-2017 , 03:06 AM

The_nicKo

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Hi, I played live 145$ tournament, blinds were 2000/4000/500, 60 people left, 47 ITM. We are 7handed, I am new to the table. UTG (MP) - stack around 120k, a little bit looser, opens to 9k. I am on CO. BTN and SB have similar stacks like I do, BB have larger stack. They all seem more passive.
Do you always push here or do you consider a call sometimes?

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04-26-2017 , 10:13 AM

Mr.Slip

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Originally Posted by The_nicKo

a little bit looser than who? you? everyone else?

to me, 20 bigs is not a shove it or fold hand, but again depends upon table dynamics.

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04-26-2017 , 11:59 AM

persianpunisher

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If you're new to the table how do you know villain is looser? Do you have reads? What does villain look like?

7 handed I'm ripping it in pretty confidently unless it's a NIT.

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04-27-2017 , 04:00 AM

The_nicKo

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I have been on the table for 1 orbit, but I have seen him calling on BTN vs MP raise with KTo. I suppose he could be loose if he does this. In general, he did not look like he knows what he is doing.

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04-27-2017 , 01:13 PM

jpgiro

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Pot is 18.5K and we have 80K behind. I think is a pretty standard rejam spot unless, as noted, the opponent is a nit.

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04-28-2017 , 12:12 PM

cheferlix1

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I would 3bet like 25K and gii to a 4 bet

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04-28-2017 , 06:49 PM

nomalice

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it gotta be very standard rejam

and flatting is better than this imo

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Originally Posted by cheferlix1

I would 3bet like 25K and gii to a 4 bet

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04-29-2017 , 01:19 AM

The_nicKo

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Thank you very much for your answers guys. I thought this is a jam.

By the way, what would be your shoving range here? Would you shove even AJo?

I am thinking about something like this: 77+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+
Againts looser opponents I think we could go like this: 66+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo

What you think?

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04-29-2017 , 04:24 AM

nomalice

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i think thats fine

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04-29-2017 , 01:01 PM

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OutPlayU27

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Originally Posted by The_nicKo

Yep

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04-29-2017 , 02:24 PM

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zanardi1

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Originally Posted by cheferlix1

I would 3bet like 25K and gii to a 4 bet

This bad imo, especially live where people like to flat giving them good odds to realice their equity cheaply and not 4bet bluffing nearly to make this better tan jamming.

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04-29-2017 , 05:40 PM

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betgo

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Originally Posted by cheferlix1

I would 3bet like 25K and gii to a 4 bet

I'm pushing AQ and other big aces and mid pps. I don't mind have a 3b/call and 3b/fold range here though.

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04-29-2017 , 07:09 PM

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hitchens97

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Clear Shove imo.

20BB is close to a perfect reshove size.

Might 3bet with a hand I want to induce, but AQo is not that hand.

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04-29-2017 , 08:14 PM

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cheferlix1

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Originally Posted by betgo

I'm pushing AQ and other big aces and mid pps. I don't mind have a 3b/call and 3b/fold range here though.

Yeah. We need to have a 3b range here, specially against a loose player.

And I doubt he will be flating too much against our 20bb stack.

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05-04-2017 , 07:22 AM

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ltVilmas

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You could 3bet, no need shove with 20BB, 3bet even look stronger then shove in my oppinion

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05-05-2017 , 09:46 AM

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BTino

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So close to bubble is this not a little risky, say he's a spew peeler (as no reads) and we brick flop?

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05-05-2017 , 10:12 AM

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scheier

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Originally Posted by ltVilmas

You could 3bet, no need shove with 20BB, 3bet even look stronger then shove in my oppinion

I don't like it, given specific hand, positions and state of the tournament.
In live tournaments, some dynamics can be different or specific to this tournament, so I wouldn't discount it entirely. But in a vacuum, not my cup of tea.
There is a reason why it looks stronger... :-)

Obviously I never fold.
If I call, it is to induce shove with worse by other reshove stacks, but AQo does not seem like a perfect hand to do that and we do not have any reason to believe any remaining player has aggressive tendencies.
So I would be very happy to get this in.

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